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    Hot Foot throttle controls
from Tim (205.188.196.52)  
1/7/1999 2:42:00 AM

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 Can some one explain how these work? I know that it is like the gas pedal in a car but can I still use my control box throttle? Or do I just us this to shift gears? Do they really make it easier to drive? When driving at say 1/2 throttle or some other position than WOT, do you have to hold your foot still or can you use the control box? Any opinions are welcome as I have no experience w/ one of these.

Thanks.


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   Hot-Foot from Steve (208.238.200.46)  1/7/1999 4:47:00 AM
 Tim, It is like a gas pedal for your boat. There are 2 different models one where you can still use your hand throttle and one where you cant. I have the one where you cant, the only thing the hand throttle is used for is putting into gear and out of gear. Yes you do have to keep your foot on it even at 1/2 throttle that is unless your cable is old and sticking (replace the cable). Yes they are easier to drive since you keep both hands on the wheel ie: if you hit some wakes and need to throttle down fast but are bouncing all over the water all you do is let your foot up instead of taking one hand off the wheel and maybe losing control of the boat. And at high speed it can happen!
   Hot Foot from Jeff Hahn (199.18.42.114)  1/7/1999 9:13:00 AM
 Tim: I don't have a Hot Foot on my current Ranger, but I will on my next Ranger. I drove a friend of mine's boat in rough water on Lake Erie, and the Hot Foot made a big difference. When trying to ride 3'-5' swells in Lake Erie, the Hot Foot allows you to come off the gas quickly, to slide down a wave, rather than shoot over top of it and spear the next one. There are times where a consistent throttle setting is a better tactic, so I will probably get the Land and Sea version, which allows you to use either the hand or foot throttle. Plus, for long runs on the Ohio River, keeping your foot in one position for a long time is a pain. Whatever the conditions, having both hands on the wheel adds to increased safety and handling.

Jeff Hahn

   Safety from mha (207.71.36.181)  1/7/1999 9:21:00 AM
 3 comments: 1.I had always heard what Steve said about "2 hands on the wheel", but until reading a thread here a while back had never thought about the fact that these work kind of like a "kill switch" only faster. Your foot lets up - the boat lets up. That's an idea I really like. 2: Position: I think your opinion of these can be greatly swayed by how you position the pedal. Figure out what is most comfortable for YOU. Mine is more left than some and angled a bit, and adjusted for my height (or lack thereof) and basically sits where my foot would naturally rest.Once it's in the right spot for you, to me it "disappears". 3. Make sure you are at "idle" before shifting.
   It is a very convenient item and lets you keep both hands on the wheel, BUT there is another side to know about!!! from Jim Porter (130.41.46.17)  1/7/1999 9:52:00 AM
 First off, a Hot Foot has all the positive aspects mentioned in the earlier responses: control, release of the throttle, allows both hands on the wheel, etc. I love the thing. BUT, I have found 2 things we all need to know. One can get you or someone else hurt, Big Time. First, be sure to put a trim control on the steering wheel. Otherwise, you woun't have both hands there near as much as you think. The 2nd item is something I never even though about until it happened to me. The darn return spring on the hot foot broke!!!! Do you know what that means when you have your foot on the pedel applying pressure?? Right!! Your foot immediately goes to the floor and the throttle goes WIDE OPEN. It takes about 3-4 seconds for your head to figure just what happened since it is a totally new ocurrance. Then, you'll have anothe couple of seconds getting you foot off, pulling the kill switch, turning off the ignition key, etc). If you are tooling along in open water at 60 MPH, it will take you 50-150 yards to get this under control. That just scares the heck out of you. BUT, suppose you are inside a crowded marina or coming at the trailer to load at at low throttle ----!?!? If that spring breaks, your foot WILL GO TO THE FLOOR and you WILL take off like a jack rabbit. You can forget that toe hook on the pedel. We never have to use it under normal conditions, so you will not even think about using it in the emergency situation. Your ONLY hope is that your mind says 'KILL SWITCH' darn quick. Think about it. This has happened to me twice, but I was luckily out on the open water. Think you can go on the trailer safely while accellerating toweards the back of your truck at full throttle?? I don't know a good solution except to be aware that it can ocurr. I did replace that return spring with TWO slightly smaller springs the last time mine broke. The pedel is a bit stiffer, but either spring alone will return the throttle to idle if need be. The ideal thing would be an electrical kill button under the pedel that would ground the ignition if the pedel was fully floored. I tried to rig one but it got too hard.
   Hot Foot from Rich (206.162.64.54)  1/7/1999 10:29:00 AM
 Tim all the above info is great, and you would really like the system,just give yourself some adjustment time to it . Invarably you will try to hit the brake to stop in the beginning, I did. And don't have audio speakers under the console because you will put your foot through them when braking, I did and ruined a good set of speakers.ha Whats bad is that when I was installing it a guy told me to take the speakers out and told me exactly what would happen; of course I didn't believe him. But now I wouldn't have a boat with out the H.F. And yes I put another set of speakers in.
   hotfoot from Bassman (132.189.76.10)  1/7/1999 10:43:00 AM
 I also have driven a boat with a hot foot and I fell in love with it. The one he had was the kind where the only thing the shifter did was put it into gear but it still was a pretty sweet set up when the water got a little rough. I don't have one on my boat currently but I am saving my pennies for one. I have a Mercury 150efi and once I get up around 55-60mph my steering becomes very stiff and somewhat diffult to steer, a hot foot would be a great help because I would be able to hold the wheel with both hands. Let us know how it works out for you and ballpark how much do they cost? Good Luck
   To Jeff Hahn and others from Tim (205.188.196.54)  1/7/1999 11:20:00 AM
 Thanks for replying and imforming me on this somewhat new device. Does anyone out there know the model number of the Land & Sea unit that allows you to use the control box too? Are there any other units that will let you still use the control box?

Thanks again to those that posted.

Tim

   Land and Sea Hot Foot from Duane/OR (134.134.248.23)  1/7/1999 12:13:00 PM
 Tim, I installed a Land and Sea dual-action foot throttle and Teleflex Pro-Trim in my Champion last year. About the only time I use the hand throttle is for loading and un-loading the boat. I agree with the observations made concerning the advantages of the hot foot. I will never have another boat without the dual-action foot and the steering column mounted trim.

To find out what you need to rig the dual-action on your boat, contact Land and Sea direct at (603) 329-5645. Be sure to get the cables they sell! I think mine (w/cables) was between $225-$250.

   Jim Porter - important point! from Jeff Hahn (199.18.42.114)  1/7/1999 1:38:00 PM
 As usual, Jim Porter is right on the money. Despite all of its advantages, the spring on the Hot Foot can break and create the potential for problems. Last year at a club tournament, many of us were running down the lake toward a very narrow "No Wake" bridge. One of the guys had his Hot Foot spring break just as he tried to back-off the throttle to set down for the no wake area. Luckily, he was at the head of the pack, so when he blasted on through the bridge, no one was in his way. It took him about 3 seconds to figure out what was going on and another 3 seconds to try to get his toe under the hook on the pedal. The only way he finally slowed down was because his tournament partner got down on the floor and reached under the console and manually pulled the Hot Foot pedal up. It was turely amazing how far he traveled in those few seconds. Jim has a great idea about rigging two springs on your Hot Foot, just in case.

Jeff Hahn

   Hotfoot spring from billsp from NJ (207.172.169.217)  1/7/1999 3:21:00 PM
 Got a new T & H Hotfoot sitting in my boat waiting to be installed. I remembered previous discussions about springs breaking, and called T & H amd got a spare spring for $6.50. It might save a lot of grief during an away fishing trip. Now, where to store it so I can find it in a year or two. Another tip for the T & H is to leave the original throttle cable hooked up to the hand unit, with the motor end tucked inside the battery compartment in case of breakage of the hotfoot cable. My Ficht is somewhat like working on my Astro van, so quick hookup might be 1/2 hour!!
   Too hot foot from Hamby's Protector Beaching Bumper  1/7/1999 4:01:00 PM
 I had a hot foot installed in a 365 Ranger & like most i liked it but.i had some problems i could do without. #1 the marine dealer that installed it ran the screws all the way thru the hull. Was tearing up the carpet on my bunks & did not know why for some time. When dicovered the screws were 1/2" thru the hull. The dealer replaced the carpet & patched the holes. # 2 the cables were never right to the point that they would return to idle .Always had to lift with the toe to come all the way back. Was worked on 4 times & never did work right. I dont have on my 462VS & would not consider as a gift. The advantages do not in my opinion outweigh the safety factor of full hand control. As an old pilot i run with my hand on the throttle all the time. Spend very little time at wot & try to be very alert with what is around me. www.hambys.com
   Hotfoot from Jx (166.102.7.228)  1/7/1999 6:11:00 PM
 Geez, I would have cried seeing screws sticking through the bottom of my boat. Someone would have been taking a horizontal trip to the hospital. It just goes to show, you cant trust anyone working on your rig. Want it done right, do it yourself. People with high perf. rigs should have a Hotfoot (thats 80mph+).If someone says they dont need one their not going what I call fast. Do it for your passengers let alone yourself. Idling high is very common with hotfoots, Its dang near impossible to get them to work accurate enough to repeatedly idle at the same rpm. At worst its 200rpm over. Try pushing your choke or bleeder (in my case) just for a moment, this always sends mine back to the "normal idle" so you can put it in gear. My spring has lasted since 92' now with that said it will probably break this this year.By the way, I have a friend that has A land & sea dual action foot throttle. He was running about 50 using the foot gas and for some reason thought he would let off the gas with the shifter. Well, the sad thing is he put the motor in reverse and it twisted the drive shaft off about an inch below the splines, talking about a big "pop". This happened on a Champion with a 260 efi. At least the CLE case survived. Luckily he milked the insurance company for it.
   Rich, glad you 'fessed up first! from Karl L (209.122.218.24)  1/7/1999 6:56:00 PM
 My new TR-18 (hey Lin, love my boat!) has a T&H Hotfoot. I had been warned about the desire to hit the brakes, but didn't believe it. Sure enough, the first time I tried to drive on the trailer I pulled my foot off the gas and was fumbling for the brake pedal!

A friend has the Land & Sea dual action pedal, and it really is a nice set-up. It's especially useful for long no-wake zones and extended runs. One consideration with the L&S is what to do with the second cable that comes out of the front of the unit. It's too beefy to take a sharp turn, so you have to plan accordingly. My friend's was mounted for left foot use by North Jersey Marine; he said it took him about ten minutes to get used to it. Another way I've seen them rigged is by cutting a hole in the "kickboard" which is essentially the back end of the starboard rod locker. Both of these methods make room for the return cable to make a nice wide turn-around without binding.

Good luck....-Karl-

   Hot Foot throttle from Jerry B (152.163.205.69)  1/7/1999 8:54:00 PM
 Hamby's, I agree with you. I see no advantage, it's in my way and darned uncomfotable. From one old pilot to another, it feels normal, right hand on the throttle left hand on the (yoke) wheel. All the young guys like the foot driver, I'll keep my throttle lever. Good Fishing, Jerry B in Mississippi
   Hot Foot from BassCat Total Performance Bass Boats  1/7/1999 10:27:00 PM
 The spring breakage is the main reason we do not mount foot throttles at Bass Cat. In NY years ago it cost a life at a BASS event. Once it almost caused a run over of Hank Parker at Lake Guntersville and Hnak never knew it or would have until. No doubt they are nice, Still they need more safeguards. It is primarily a hot rod item at this time.

I have been in them when they break and won't own one. Most operators do not think fast enough when a spring fails and NEVER TAKE THE TOE PIECE OFF!!!

The new Teleflex model may bring a better mouse trap to the game though.

Good Luck and it's just our two cents worth.

WE do not mount or recommend Hot Foots. Too much liability.


   Hot foot from Rich (206.162.64.125)  1/7/1999 11:01:00 PM
 Alot of brands have been covered but guess I'm the only one using a HydroDynamics. I could be wrong but I never heard of anything going wrong with them. Everything the co. puts out is race proven, thats good enough for my boat.
   Cables from ron rook sr. (208.170.178.69)  1/8/1999 3:16:00 AM
 There are special Morse cables that I always use for this purpose, installing a foot throttle to make the bend easier. They allow for a 4 inch radius rather than an 8" bend. That allows for connecting to the hand control unit and works far better then the standard black cables. They are also much more slippery inside so they work easier to return back to the idle position. If memory serves me correctly, they are also red. When you have a L&S foot throttle installed where you can use both your foot or your hand for total control, you'll never go with a single action foot throttle again. I never read or heard of a spring breaking on the Land & Sea model. ron
   All due respect....... from Riverat (206.253.244.85)  1/8/1999 3:21:00 AM
 MR.HAMBY; so far, have always held your qualified/informative posts in the highest esteem,...BUT,...I really have to DISAGREE on the issue of 'foot-controlled' throttles!!!!! Having owned & raced anything w/a motor, (on land,ice,snow,water, whatever,) since the early '60's, I really can't imagine knocking the virtues of having 'both hands' on the controls at all times,...(has saved me a few 'uncomfortable' situations a few times, even with my 'lengthy' experience!!) Can only imagine the mishaps this set-up might avoid with a lot of our brethren, possibly with a little less experience than you and I!?????
   Do you guys realize what you have done? from Triton Mike (152.163.207.177)  1/8/1999 9:47:00 AM
 I tell you what I am glad I have been a big reader of this page. I have a TR-18 with a hot foot and I love it to death. It personally never would have crossed my mine to pull the kill switch if the spring broke. Like you said you have got to think fast. I like the idea of two springs am going to look into that. But most importantly you guys will probably save somebody's life with just these posts. Certainly made me more aware of safety. Pull the kill switch in any emergencies when running. It is not as obvious when you get a nervous when it happens. Wonder if McGyver would have thought of that. Ha ha Good Advice Keep up the good work.
   Hot Foot from Stan (152.163.206.213)  1/8/1999 12:40:00 PM
 I had a 1993 Gambler Intimidator with the hot foot and floor mounted trim and absolutely will not have a boat w/out them . Am on my 3rd boat since then and order hot foots on all . My Triton TR21 has one and has the trim on the steering column . While not quite as handy as the floor mounted set up , still is nice . Hey Lin??? I dont hate you , even though you dont like Tritons . You always make me giggle when I read your posts . At least you do have a sense of humour .
   Foot throttle & foot power trim from Markus Hörnkvist (129.16.200.111)  1/8/1999 3:28:00 PM
 I would never dream of driving a high-performance boat without a foot throttle. I have not use the Land & Sea unit, but I can not see the point in being able to use both hand and foot throttle. If there are problems with Land & Sea, check out Bob's! They sell an adjustable foot throttle plate as well - if I had known, I would have bought it instead of making by own. Get foot power trim as well. Both Bob's & Land & Sea sell them, or you can build your own using Merc's starter & horn switches (same part is sold as an OMC part as well) and a foot throttle.
   Hot Foot Safety from Mb (209.240.197.21)  1/8/1999 11:08:00 PM
 To keep ahead of a broken spring, just change it out once a year, cost about $7.00 and keep the one you took off as a spare. It could still break but a new spring is likely to stay in one piece, at least more so than the one you took off.

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