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    Performance #'s/ Bullet 21 XD andthe 225 XS
from Angler's Outpost and Marine  
8/14/2006 4:15:00 PM

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 Been running a new 20XRD Bullet with the 250 PRO XS.....Ya not gonna believe this...but it's fact..here are the parameters of which the tests today were done. Air temp was and currently still is 88 degrees with water temps exactly the same. Barometric Pressure is falling. Very muggy. 21 XD Bullet/Mercury 225 PRO XS-BONE STOCK. Mercury 27" DAH Custom Wheel,28 Gallons of fuel,30 gallons of livewell water(Approximately),3 Optima batteries,battery charger(Pro Mariner),14" jack Plate even with the pad,24 Volt Minn Kota Max pro 80 trolling Motor,NO TACKLE...but did have a 25# pound of ballast in the left front compartment of the boat for leveling the ride. I was able to make 6 runs with the boat today before the boat traffic come into play. Just to dangerous to run WOT with 15-20 boats everywhere..YES- On a Monday for Gods sake. Go figure..Weekend was calm for teh most part and today everyone wants to play. Looks like they all had the same idea.LOL!Any way..Here are the 6 runs in order. Enjoy #1.78.9 #2.78.6 #3,79.2 #4.78.8 #5.79.8 #6 80.2 ....and remember the engine has 21 hours and is just now getting real loose to run. I truly believe that this boat will run 81+ mph and some change with a stock 225 XS and this particular propeller. Folks, this is a 21-10" boat running these numbers and this is not shabby.Just sharing some information for the performance heads out there. More to come as we play with propellers. WEBBY

Anglers Outpost and Marine


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   nice numbers in the heat from Ted  8/14/2006 4:33:00 PM
 88 degrees....must have been early in the morning. lol


   Heat from Angler's Outpost and Marine  8/14/2006 4:41:00 PM
  Yea Man..about 11:00 a.m.- BRUTAL to say the least. I assume by these numbers that the boat will really like the 60 degree mark this fall.

Anglers Outpost and Marine

   Sorry guys..read close!..My mistake from Angler's Outpost and Marine  8/14/2006 4:47:00 PM
 The boat is a 21 XD with a 225 XS. Not a 20XRD/250 XS..I have been running one of those as well...LOL..I'll give those numbers at a later date. My "TYPO ERROR"......Sorry! Enjoy!

Anglers Outpost and Marine

   Dats fast John from fishforcash  8/14/2006 5:24:00 PM
 How much do the new DFI motas fall off in the heat? I heard they are much better than the older EFI versions.

I loose around 300rpms and 3-4mph from 75 degree spring day to a 95+ degree summer day. With my ProMax but thats a 2.5 on a 21XDC, much different than the newer 3.0L motas. Now add a tournament fishing load and it falls off the map.


   Did you say.. from Sparkplug (57.250.252.246)  8/14/2006 6:53:00 PM
 you needed a 25# ballast in the front compartment to LEVEL the ride....keep your tater chip boat my friend. Us real fisherman will keep what we got.

Kills me when a dealer comes on this site bragging up boats that are unsafe at 65 mph much less 80 mph.

There are very few drivers in the world I would feel safe with, running those speeds John. It only takes one rogue wave or a kid on a jet ski to create some real disaster.

JMO

ok Gerry ..you can pull it now !


   Sparkplug I'm callin the... from RedAllison (24.176.103.238)  8/14/2006 7:38:00 PM
 DEA before you spread whatever it is that you are using!!!

If you think ANY bullet is dangerous @ 65 then you my friend are sadly mistaking. Running under 80 in ANY of the "fast boats" is childsplay and if the driver could possibly suffer from anything, it would be drowsiness and boredom. Just because cowboycrafts (aka Ranger), Toonies and the like aren't designed to run much over 70 doesn't mean that there are others on the market who safely CAN!

A GEO Metro is unsafe at 80 (mainly because they didn't go that fast, they would have to be towed too such speeds) but I feel completely at ease behind the wheel of a Corvette doing anything short of 150+.

Get real, RA


   good thing for ole sparkplug there are still 25 HP motors from Ted  8/14/2006 7:40:00 PM
 You gotta know when it's not right to open up a high performance boat. For the guys that don't, keep reading the comic books.


   Seems slower than I would have thought. from BassFvr  8/14/2006 7:54:00 PM
 Okay, I'm certainly not a speed freak, just a bass fisherman with an old ChampioN. I have always thought of Bullets as in the super fast field of bass boats. This Bullet avgs. 79mph. In an issue of B&WB mag. they had a Legend LE21 that weighs in at 1640lbs.(Hull) and it was turning a 14 5/8"x26" stock Tempest blade on a Merc. 225 pro xs and it averaged 78.3 mph. That Legend boat looks like a Bass boat primarily and the Bullet looks like a speed boat that will pass as a bass boat. I'm just surprised that they are that close in numbers. They say the Legend is the Mercedes of bass boats too!


   Legend Numbers from GGG Jr.  8/14/2006 8:07:00 PM
 there have been some questions raised with that review......maybe someone with a legend that is running those speeds can chime in? Not knocking the boat but lets be real.....

The bullet is a real fishing boat........

GGG

PS, bassfvr, you had those stats down quick.....what boat do you run?


   Ggg from BassFvr  8/14/2006 8:14:00 PM
 I run a 1997 Champ 181 with a 150efi Merc. It aint the fastest, but it enables me and my son to fish alot. I am an avid reader of B&WB mag and went and grabbed that issue (yes I have them all categorized). Since I read the article on the Legend it really made an impression on me. The Bullet's main source of advertising seems to be this site!


   Hold up now!!! from Michael (68.226.183.8)  8/14/2006 8:31:00 PM
 Lets not get crazy here...when was the Legend tested...Water Temp...Air temp...weight....water in the livewell batteries B&WB will let certain things go unsaid...As for the Mercedes hmmm lets see now...I have a HAWK Super1900 with a 200Merc efi an 8" jackplate and run a tuned up Trophy prop I can unload my boat in the fall run DOWN river and get 76.8 mph gps...Going UP river I will get 73.1 if I am lucky I have gotten in the 74 mph and 75 with the windshields off. I sold my last team HAWK boat to my brother in law super 2100 (same boat hull as the LEGEND) his weight before trailer 1984lbs and a 225efi reworked because in 1998 they were dogs with a 3000.00 Burcata system and empty it saw 80.1 mph RADAR. by Burcata. Day to Day 73.+/- with a load FACT!! Those Bullet numbers are strong and true to form The Legend numbers are not Dead summer numbers like those don't come easy!!!!


   Mikey is right... from RedAllison (24.176.109.189)  8/14/2006 10:35:00 PM
 They guys in B&WBMag KNOW there chit!!! Combined with guys like JTjr and the dealers/riggers and factory guys that they use the numebers you see from most of their test are the ABSOLUTE tops and 99% of us will NEVER even approach such numbers when we run our same rigs.

Case in point, my boat (XB2003 w/ 225ProMaxSS) was tested by B&WBMag to run 101 and change. They likewise ran 104 and predicted another couple mph faster in a later test with a 225X on a XB2003. I know some of the riggers, drivers, testers and prop builders that were at the tests so I fully believe the numbers. BUT there isn't a daily use XB2003 with a 225 in the country that is running over 100. Load them down to go fishin and it's mighty hard to run much over 90-92 at best (I've done 91gps in mine with a heavy 2 man summertime load, was even raining and was at 1100 ft above sea level). Hell Darris Allison made a SS2000 run over 90 with a stock 115 Ficht. But it hasn't been done by anyone else, not even close (the handful of V4 SS2000s around report upper 70s too spot on 80 when empty).

The same goes for Bullet guys as well. What guys like Reid and Paul Nichols can get from a rig is usually considerably better than what Billy Bob will get at Kentucky Lake when he blasts off in August with his brother Daryl and their 200#s of baloney sammichez on board!

I'm sure someone can make a Ranger run 80 (well ok maybe that's stretchin it a bit!!! :oP ) But we all know what the typical rig is gonna do day in day out.

This test sounds like a more indicative example of what you can possibly attain with the same rig when you backer off the trailer and "Stand on it son"! And remember that's a 22foot BARGE that is running 80 with only a 225 on her tail. That's ALOT of boat and a big ol hole to push through the wind. IMHO that is AWESOME.

Good test AOM, RA

ps Plus I give him credit for doing the "real world test". How many of us woulda called him full of BS if he had emptied the boat, gone on a diet and ran the test in Nov or Dec and reported speeds in the upper 80s??? So in reality he's damned if he does, damned if he dont!


   In all tests on B&WB from Greg (198.208.159.19)  8/14/2006 10:39:00 PM
 they use full tournament loading. Two people, tackle, 1/2 tank of gas...etc.


   Legend was Loaded to fish on this test. from BassFvr  8/14/2006 11:03:00 PM
 It was alot cooler when they ran their test that is true, but the article says that the Legend had two people aboard, and "22"fishing rods onboard & that the owner Kelly Power actually fished out of the boat that they brought to the test. It was raining and windy during the test at the Lake of the Ozarks too. I think that's pretty awesome that this big beautiful Legend boat which also weighs 420 more pounds, using a STOCK prop (not a DAH custom as the Bullet did), and does not have a racing inspired hull that has a Kevlar composite on it. And yet it is ALMOST as fast as that Thouroghbred Bullet boat. Danco's Bullet looks sweet, and I'm sure he'll get some incredible numbers out of it. But for Bass Fishing, if money were no object I'd take the Legend with a 300xs. Oh and I'd also pocket the $10k+ I'd save! I like the B&WB quote: "The LE21 has the ability to kick ass in the rough stuff and haul ass in any stuff"


   Boat Tests from pmgoffjr (172.129.100.131)  8/14/2006 11:49:00 PM
 Kelly is still a friend, but I've got news. He's never played fair in his life. I'll stand on my head and eat a bug if that was a stock motor/prop/layup he ran.

And, he's a dang good driver, I know most of you believe you are, but he's probably capable of milking more from that cow than you ever could.


   BassFvr from Sms (68.188.77.89)  8/14/2006 11:53:00 PM
 Let's get the story right, OK? Kelly is a friend of mine and will be the first to tell you that his boat did not run 78mph. They ran it across the lake toward a bluff ONE TIME and got that speed with the B&W guys radar gun. Kelly wanted to make a couple more runs, but the writer said, this is what we got and that's what I'm going to print. It wasn't at Lake of the Ozarks, it was on Table Rock at Kimberling City. That's why I take B&W numbers with a grain of salt.


   Okay now I can POP from Michael (68.226.183.8)  8/15/2006 12:53:00 AM
 I wasn't going to be the first but lets be real!!!!! The facts are B&WB will help a newbie get off the ground and imbellish a little bit. As I said I love the Hull and Kelly whacked a couple hundred pounds off my Hawks weight...But I saw what went in to the Hull/pad design and watched a lot of fiberglass go to the dumpster to make the HAWK line up. I know there was something in play with that story....To be fair just like they said the ZX250 was a near 80mph boat with the 250hpdi. That didn't happen either...What webby did was inform us through his testing what he came up with. He doesn't have to embellish He didn't BUILD it he SET it up and FYI'd us on his findings...For those that wonder WEBBY talked me out of the FASTER Triton hull for the new X2 concept based on the true fishability of the changes...Keep up the GOOD work webby......Mike


   B&wb from RobShaw  8/15/2006 6:45:00 AM
 is that rag still being published?

BTW...they love Nitro's too.


   Hey GGG from Manco  8/15/2006 8:55:00 AM
  The bullet is a real fishing boat........" ???

What kind of boat does your boss drive?

Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


   manco........... from GGG Jr.  8/15/2006 9:12:00 AM
 an old beat up skeeter from Idaho..........

Boss? who needs one?

GGG


   Legend #'s from Angler's Outpost and Marine  8/15/2006 10:04:00 AM
 Fact is. I was fortunate enough to have driven a Legend with a 250 XS. If you are interested in the numbers that I got out of this boat by driving it 2 days non stop, please feel free to call me 859-509-6660. I will give the "REAL WORLD" numbers on this as well. Hey guys, ya gotta buy what ya like. My tests are accurate,and right on the money. I never said you had to like it or buy it. That's not my priority. I am an educator and want people to know these setups and viable information. I take at least 50 calls a day and countless e-mails about boats/setups/questions relagated to their interests and I will answer them honestly."Your first postee" says that he did not like it when dealers get on here and brag. Am I worng for posting this information? Am I pushing the issue? I cannot for teh life of me understand why a "PAID" sponsor cannot share information that will possibly help a potential interested customer be more eductated as to their purchase? I just do my job...and have done it for some 14+ years.Hope I did not offend anyone. WEBBY

Anglers Outpost and Marine

   Thanks for posting... from Curado Kev  8/15/2006 10:04:00 AM
 I appreciate it :)

CKev


   John Webb from fishforcash  8/15/2006 1:10:00 PM
 John is about as straight shooter as they get. He tells the truth and doesnt pad numbers for sales. His boats sell themselves and his rigging, product quality, and honesty before and after the sell tells it all.

John, I for one appreciate all of your information and friendship. You have helped me and MANY MANY others countless times and asked for NOTHING in return. I value that in a human being. You keep on doing what you do. Most here could use some of your values and knowlage.

I bet I'm not the only one who agrees with my statement.

FFC


   Webby from icallbs (70.250.219.175)  8/15/2006 1:24:00 PM
 I would certainly trust Webby's numbers over the BWB numbers. Only a moron wouldn't.


   Ggg from RyanC/LanierSpots  8/15/2006 2:12:00 PM
 Bullet a real fishing boat. Come on man. It may be the best of the rockets, with that allison being the worst but a good fishing platform. Come on man. Go sell it somewhere else. LOL.

I would rather fish out of a john boat. I have been in a few of those things. Sorry man but they suck as fishing platforms. Take it from a guy who fishes, not races.

Talk to you later

LanierSpots
Phone: 770-356-4136
Email: ryan@lanierspots.com

   Ba............ from GGG Jr.  8/15/2006 3:29:00 PM
 Sell it? I am running a cat....

I assumed that most would lump the B boat in with the gofasts........with those, it is up there at topwith gambler.

Guess that is what i get for assumming LOL.....

GGG


   No offense meant John.. from Sparkplug (57.250.252.246)  8/15/2006 3:57:00 PM
 I have seen too many times where a newbie sees something posted on a site and just cause he has more money then sense, he goes right out and buys a boat he has no clue how to drive.

The next thing you see is him posting for help on how to drive his new bass boat past 60 mph because he can't handle the chine-walk. Seen it at least half a dozen times on these pages and other sites as well.

No offense meant towards you and sorry if I came across that way !


   Ryan from Angler's Outpost and Marine  8/15/2006 4:29:00 PM
  You are 110% entitled to your opinion. But if you would like for me to come down to Lanier and embarass a few boats in a 21 XD...with an accomplished driver. you can reach me at 859-509-6660. respectfully speaking of course. All are entitled totheir opinions..but 1st you must have a distinct knowledge of how to drive such a boat and actually understand the properties of how it acts to be able to drive it at full potential. you...may or may not be able to do this. I will say in defense of the Bullet. I have sold 7 other Boat lines in some 10+ years and where I can say --YES! there are some boats out there that do things differently than the Bullet and for that...we have many boats to choose from. However,in closing...I'm fortunate in my line of work that allows me to see "ALL" boats and their strong points and Bullet brings them all to the table, for instance..shallow water draft,turning radius,lifting capacity,great ride,storage is adequate and functional and best yet..ECONOMY! yep..that is correct.ECONOMY! Easier on the wallet at the fuel pump I assure you........not just a few things like eye candy like many others sell their boats as! Fishing platforms with the Bullet are not as large for the most part, but hey...what's enough? I would like to see a larger deck layout on the Bullets and guess what"YOU JUST MAY" soon.So saying that.....again, ya gotta buy what ya like and I'm for anyone buying that can still afford it and keep supper on the table. This was not a my boat is better than your boat post but an intended informative post. My deal stands. I'm a driver(some are not)...and I will put the 21XD Bullet against anything in it's class.These are my opinions fellas'.....It's all in good taste and good fun. WEBBY

Anglers Outpost and Marine

   Anglers Outpost. Bring it on from RyanC/LanierSpots  8/15/2006 5:09:00 PM
 First you must be able to read. I said nothing about its running ability. For all I care, it could run 200 mph. My opinion was based on fishing. Not running

I have fished out of four of them. They all sucked. A 10 mph wind will spin that thing around like a styrofoam cup. All of them tipped and leaned. They are laid out like crap and they are just not set up for fishing. Once again, dont care if they run at the speed of sound.

My comments were based on my experience fishing out of them. Not racing then. My comments to GGG were of that.

But if you are ready to come down here to Lanier and embarass me. Bring it on dude. Make sure to bring your rods though. My deal is fishing not racing. I assure you, you will not embarass me. I have never seen a Bullett driver waiting around after weigh in for checks. Not yet

770-356-4136

LanierSpots
Phone: 770-356-4136
Email: ryan@lanierspots.com

   Lol from Angler's Outpost and Marine  8/15/2006 5:23:00 PM
 OK...you win!

Anglers Outpost and Marine

   Bullet 21 XD w/ 250 XB from Rick R (208.104.119.29)  8/15/2006 5:29:00 PM
 My friend's Bullet 21 XD with a Merc 250 XB will run close to mid 90's. He had it to 91 mph gps with more throttle available. He said he didn't have the 'nads to see exactly how fast it would run.


   No it won't....... from Dave Johns  8/15/2006 5:41:00 PM
 Try again rick. A stock 250xb with a torguemaster gearcase would be lucky to see upper 80's

Ryan, I would keep my comments to myself if I were you, your making an azz of yourself. shhhhhhhhh


   Dave Johns, your not me from RyanC/LanierSpots  8/15/2006 6:19:00 PM
 and you can keep yours to yourself.

GGG knew what I was getting at. The guy at Anglers got a little bent out of shape over nothing.

There is a difference in a Good fishing platform and the best fishing platform out of the gofast boats.

Compare apples to apples

LanierSpots
Phone: 770-356-4136
Email: ryan@lanierspots.com

   The boat did run that fast. from Rick R (208.104.119.29)  8/15/2006 7:10:00 PM
 The motor is stock and yes, it did run that fast.


   Gotta agree with Ryan on this one.... from Jackplateless Ranger520 (71.244.154.216)  8/15/2006 8:44:00 PM
 ......and we all know Donco didn't get that boat to fish with!


   I think that from RyanC/LanierSpots  8/15/2006 9:06:00 PM
 hell just froze over. LOL.

By the way, what would GGG know about a fishing boat anyway????? :>

LanierSpots
Phone: 770-356-4136
Email: ryan@lanierspots.com

   No it didn't from Spookchucker (64.12.116.200)  8/15/2006 9:24:00 PM
 Rick R, you are saying your bud drove a 21' Buller faster with a 250, with throttle left, than Paul Nichols could run with a 300XS. No one runs a Bullet faster than Paul. It didn't happen and it ain't going to happen, not on GPS. Mid 80s on a very well set up is about right, at FULL THROTTLE. Upper 80s only very light and with no troller or an older light OMC troller up front.


   Bullet from Michael (70.173.123.65)  8/15/2006 9:59:00 PM
 I just recently sold a Bullet 21XDC and got a Triton 21X. Both boats had a 250xs on them and I will tell you I wish I still had the Bullet. I have nothing against my Triton, it is a great fishing boat and runs good. The Bullet had plenty of deck space and ran rough water better then the Triton. I had a Bass Cat Cougar before the Bullet and it was a good boat, but I did not like it as well as the other 2 boats. This is just my opinion and someone else will probaly feel different. My next new boat will be another 21XDC. P.S. If that guy had that 21 f.t. Bullet running that fast with a 250XB, thats faster than a 20 f.t. bullet with the same motor with a torquemaster lower unit. Michael


   Jackplateless. from Johnny Cole (70.85.195.228)  8/15/2006 10:35:00 PM
 We all know you got your boat without a jackplate. Cause your one of those goofy buckeye nigman .


   Ryan from gb (68.93.137.205)  8/15/2006 11:02:00 PM
 You have seen my old Champion and my 21XDC is more stabil and has a better layout (for me). More storage and I love the center rod box. I fish Texoma and it rides better, handles better, fishes better than my Champion on that wind blown lake. I use less fuel with less motor and go faster and smoother. The bow drift is not as good as a Ranger but just as good as my old 204 Champion. My front deck is every bit as big as my Champion was.

Our mutual buddy from TX got out of a TR22 to get back into a 21'10" Bullet for the ride not the speed. He said his Bullet fishes better and I trust his judgement.

I think your comparing a 20' Bullet to your Toon. Now the 21'10" Bullet is a totaly different animal.


   put the boots on fellas from Shelby (70.153.34.205)  8/15/2006 11:34:00 PM
 the shixt is getting deep.

I'm with you Ryan, I've seen too many flyweights trying to fish open unprotected water on santee in the spring. Just like a pop can, up and down, up and down. Where the Rangers are level floating and stable enough to fish from without having to worry about falling out of it. The Bullet will certainly outrun it, but no chance in hatis of out fishing it.

(crotch rocket vs Harley) 2 completely different machines built for 2 different people. Both are tops in what they are designed for and they were designed for different purposes even though they are the same species.


   RED A. and he said she said from stratosxl  8/15/2006 11:50:00 PM
 This post has become the usual he said my brother said my boats the fastest. But on a better note Red I have a metro it WILL do 80 with that little 3cyl with no air or power steering BUT She gets a few rattles and lots road noise and wind blows it around worse than a styro cup. I just want to say that all these boats are great boats, but Isn't the Stratos ASX a go fast boat, But with better fishability? Is this an 80plus boat? Why not have the best of both worlds? I like Ryan's idea why not have speed with fishability?Ryan been in the ASX? Still a good post, I'm waiting to see what Dinco squeeeeezzzes from his.


   ANYBODY that is calling... from RedAllison (24.176.109.189)  8/16/2006
 The 21Bullet (or the 21 Alli and the Stroker as well) poor fishing machines obviously haven't been in them!!! The 21 Bullet is a relatively rare machine. You don't see many Bullets around as it is (not unless you are within 200miles of Knoxville) out of those you might see 1 in 10 that is actually a 21. But it is my prediction that with the newer, bigger motors the 21 is gonna become a better seller for Bullet. If you don't think "bigger is better" then ask your wife or your neighbors girlfriend!!!

But guys are all alike, if your truck is bigger, your wife is prettier or your boat is faster than his then he gets defensive and starts the name calling...

RA


   bullet from stratosxl  8/16/2006 12:10:00 AM
 Hey Red I have never been in an Ally, But I was in a bullet a few years old 2000ish, and it really fished well, But we never got to run it, and there was no rough water or wind. I have never been in the ASX either but just believe everything I read on the net. hehe


   Board Sponsors from badbusterbass (66.98.131.107)  8/16/2006 9:38:00 AM
 Board Sponsor's Ethics or lack of. Geez Ryan do you sell boats or something on the side? What is your play in this whole thread? John Webb posted an honest product evaluation and you get all in his business. Did he come over in the fishing tactics board and start ragging your Spotsticker or Mini-Me crap. Dude stick to fishing cause you sure don't know crap about boats!!


   BBB to funny!! from blackjack (199.233.80.251)  8/16/2006 9:52:00 AM
 John Webb helped me set-up my Bullet when I first purchased it even though it was not purchased from his dealership and he has helped many people out with his knowledge of bass boats. Most guys that bash Bullets either got smoked by one on the water or have never fished in one for any amount of time


   Bullets and big water from thomxdc (12.33.176.46)  8/16/2006 12:48:00 PM
 I have to comment on the "Bullets don't fish well" and " I have never seen a Bullet driver waiting around for a check" remark. I have a 20Ft. Bullet and have fished water from the detroit river ( constant 35MPH current) to lake st. clair (It don't get much bigger or ruffer then st. clair).

AND I HAVE WON FIRST PLACE MONEY on both of them. If you don't know how to use a Bullet (or any boat for that matter) in big water then you have no bussines being out there. ( EVER HEAR OF A DRIFT SOCK? Walleye guys use them all the time. Even with Rangers, Tritons,Champions))

Bullets fish very well. ALL bass boats lean when you are standing on the gunal. Storage and rod racks are great with allot of room. Best of all, I don't hear of any leaking.

You don't like the way Bullets fish, Ok, you are one person that we have heard this from. There are many many more (even nonBullet oweners) that like fishing out of them.

Webby, You keep right on posting. Your info is very good and to the point with real world numbers.


   Bullet fishability from SkeeterBill1 (64.109.141.5)  8/16/2006 12:52:00 PM
 IMO Skeeter has the best "fishing" platform on the market today and the Bullet IMO fishes similar. The Bullet sets low, fishes stable and manuevers very much like the big Skeeters, just a little more nimble. Bullets are also built better and run faster, priced better too! Again, if you think a Bullet isn't a good fishing platform you'd better hope there are no surprise drug tests at work today-LOL.


   Hey Thomxdc from SkeeterBill1 (64.109.141.5)  8/16/2006 12:56:00 PM
 I agree with most of what you said except Detroit river current. If it were constant 35MPH current Detroit and St. Clair shores would have washed away 25 years ago-LOL. The current in that river is around 7 MPH.


   OOps, I mean at from thomxdc (12.33.176.46)  8/16/2006 1:49:00 PM
 Suger island cut on the lower, back side of gross isle. At the break wall.


   you guys need to lighten up from Spotted Bass (208.63.124.4)  8/16/2006 2:02:00 PM
 ryan was poking fun at 3G and the rest of you had to pile on. bullets are great boats......i happen to like 'cats, to each his own.

sb


   who's pilin' who here? from stratosxl  8/16/2006 2:20:00 PM
 I didn't take Ryan's comment serious he voicing opinion,as the rest of you,then the hogpile started. It was more Razzin Webby, Than bashing boats. All in good fun. Man Ryan,I got your back, Now how about that free trip to Lanier?


   Hey Willy Cole! from Jackplateless Ranger520 (71.244.154.216)  8/16/2006 4:37:00 PM
 Funny thing is my Ranger (with a stock prop and no jackplate!) out runs Binkwood's Triton, which out ran Donco's Triton before he added all that shixt to it!

ThomXDC, you must fish like you spell, because I've never seen you around at any tournaments on the Detroit River or LSC! The 35 mph current comment says it all!


   This thread was really getting good.. from Sparkplug (71.56.8.160)  8/16/2006 4:50:00 PM
 too bad it went to the other page...LOL

Bullets rule.....yeeeehaaaaawww


   You don't have to spell to from thomxdc (12.33.176.46)  8/16/2006 5:18:00 PM
 Catch and weigh quality fish.

Look at the response about the current speed. I fish alot of tournaments on detroit river and lake st. clair. Won some / placed in some / blanked in one.

All I'm saying is Bullets fish as good as any and are very stable boats....... Done--- the point has been made....


   Agree from Angler's Outpost and Marine  8/16/2006 5:43:00 PM
 Done it a long long time...and I truly believe the Bullet does their job well. In many instances, better than most.But again..it's all about what ya like. WEBBY

Anglers Outpost and Marine

   Lol..... from GGG  8/16/2006 10:40:00 PM
 spot is right......Ryan and I are old buddies, he was busting on me here and we were busting on each other through email.........

Bottom line........lots of opinions and lots of boats.......one for every persons taste. The key is that the consumer knows what they value and not fool themselves.........BTW, which boat is better Ranger or Triton? LOL.......changing subject.

GGG


   some dad gum good LIES going on in here from Shelby (70.153.40.155)  8/16/2006 10:58:00 PM
 if you ever see me face to face and tell me a 21 foot bullet will out fish a 21 foot ranger, I'll look you right back in the eye and tell you your FULL OF CHIT!

Then prove it to your stupid arse!

some people on here are just plain ignorant.


   Oh well from Angler's Outpost and Marine  8/17/2006 10:37:00 AM
 LOL!....hey DANCO...where ya at bud? LOL

Anglers Outpost and Marine

   Lol from Danco  8/17/2006 10:52:00 AM
 I've been on the road for the last five days so I've been reading but not posting. Kind of hard to add much to this boondoggle. LOL

What I have is a problem with a definition for what "fishes" good or bad. Speed and performance are definitive. If your faster your faster. Simple as that?

But what defines how a boat "fishes"? That's subjective at best. My Bullet has about 1/2 again the deck space of my Triton. My Bullet drafts less water than my Triton. My Bullet has about as much storage space as my Triton. My Bullet's rod system is better than my Tritons. All positive toward "fishing" well. My Triton livewells were better. I liked my Triton tackle system better. My Triton was less likely to move around in the wind than the Bullet. All positives toward the Triton "fishing" well.

Looks like a trade off to me. So someone, preferably a crackhead like Shelby or a guide like Ryan needs to better define for us what makes a boat "fish" better. My bet is you'll only come up with subjective data that can be easily disputed.

Bottom line is this....at blast off I can be at the end of the line and still beat you to your hole. :o)


   Danco, is the boss from thomxdc (12.33.176.46)  8/17/2006 12:53:00 PM
  Keeping you out on the road so you can't play with your new toy? LOL


   Yep from Angler's Outpost and Marine  8/17/2006 1:36:00 PM
 He's a travelin Man...but I did get to speak with big DAN today...Made my week...Too cool!WEBBY

Anglers Outpost and Marine

   LOL Danco from RyanC/LanierSpots  8/17/2006 3:44:00 PM
 I do agree. Its tough to define but for guiding, I will keep my 21X over your rocket. LOL. By the way, thanks for not calling me a Crack Head. That means alot> :>>>

By the way, as far as you blasting off and beating me to my hole, the last time I checked, they passed out the checks after weigh in not after blast off. Bwhahah

Enjoy your new thingy. I am sure it will fit you better than that fishing machine you had before.

Webby, hope you know there are no hard fellings. LOL. Though I have been in a Triton since they started and probally have more fishing hours in a Toon than any other person alive, I didnt mention it in my evaluation of the Bullett. Just my opinions.

LanierSpots
Phone: 770-356-4136
Email: ryan@lanierspots.com

   I'll tell ya what 'fishes good' means from Shelby (65.0.252.22)  8/17/2006 5:18:00 PM
  Are the decks big and wide (as big as a 521)?

Is the front deck stable in 2-3 foot white caps when the trolling motor is down and your fishing, stable enough to fish from safely without taking a big chance of falling out of the boat while fishing? Is it as stable as a 521 ranger?

those flyweights give you a popcan effect, they pop/bounce up and down with the waves instead of breaking them. There is no way in hatis that bullet will fish as good as a 521.

If I need to go across 4 inches of water (lol) I'll get out and walk. fock a boat, if i'm fast enough my feet won't even get completely wet. The fish I catch need more than 4 inch deep water,

now realistically your totally full of it to even think a bullet will fish as good as a ranger. Its disturbing that a few of you would think its true. This is all for fun but I would expect a tad bit of honesty coming from you fellas. (bullet has its purpose and thats speed, it may fish good but theres other brands that are slower and fish a he!! of a lot better, now thats true)


   Shelby from Danco  8/17/2006 5:32:00 PM
 Yes, yes and yes! I'd make a believer out of you and Ryan.

:o)


   Four have tried from RyanC/LanierSpots  8/17/2006 6:30:00 PM
 so far Dan. I dont know what kind of magic you can come up with. Face it man. Its a great running boat. It even looks pretty cool. But a great fishing boat, it aint.

Let things be classified as what they are.

Enjoy your new ride. Like most people, I am sure it will be the best thing since sliced bread to you. Most people think theirs are. Good thing we have soooo many to choose from.

LanierSpots
Phone: 770-356-4136
Email: ryan@lanierspots.com

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