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    Horny Toads
from deadeyed (199.224.82.135)  
6/12/2007 7:21:00 PM

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 I need some help here, everytime I try using Zoom Horny toads. I have them swimming upside down, I even used there hooks. What gives, or am I the one who does not know how to make a Horny toad swim.


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   I had the same problem from SoonerFan (68.97.69.253)  6/12/2007 7:44:00 PM
 Try the Falcon hooks that I wrote about in the other post about plastic toads just below. The weight on the nose will keep it right side up.


   or from SnakeHead (69.243.0.204)  6/12/2007 7:47:00 PM
 put a bend in it. so that its belly points down. this creates a keel like on a boat and he will run upright.


   Same problem and more from bassrod  6/12/2007 8:39:00 PM
 If I let the toad sink an inch or two then start the retrieve it runs upright regardless of hook. My big problem is getting a solid hookset. This past weekend I lost the first 5 fish I hooked on these stupid things, and two of the fish were 5 lbs+. They would just come unbuttoned about halfway to the boat. Made me crazy. I'm using 5/0 Owner screwlock hooks so any ideas.


   This worked for me... from BC  6/12/2007 9:50:00 PM
 I put two Storm Suspend Strips on the shank of the hook. The extra weight causes it to flip over right side up when it hits the water. So far so good for me! Hope this helps.

BC


   toads from Drew (128.227.51.145)  6/13/2007 8:28:00 AM
 Bassrod: what kind of line are you using in your setup? I'm one of the ones that believes you have got to be using braid for frogs. I use 30# or 50# power pro depending on the reel. I think you need a combo of rod and line that will let you hammer the fish even at the end of a long cast.

Guys there are some subtle things you can do to get a toad to run just right. I insert the hook slightly below dead center of the head. I want my line comming out right at the toad's 'chin'. A slight downward bow or bend in the bait, above the hook shank, just like mentioned above, is important too. Best of luck.


   They work better that way from Sling (70.149.157.199)  6/13/2007 9:02:00 AM
 I rig them upside down anyway and I don't lose as many fish on them. Stanley makes a head weighted frog hook that works pretty well. Sometimes ya just have to go with the flow.


   No problem here from Ppen (72.187.235.6)  6/13/2007 10:55:00 AM
 I have been using Oldham 4/0 screw lock hooks and 40 lb Power pro line w/o any problems with them rolling over. Have tried the Zoom hooks sold for frog use and find they did not cause me any rollover problems but did find the hooks to be of poor quality compared to the Oldham hooks. The Zoom hooks just won't stay sharp nor did they sharpen well using a diamond plate sharpener. Seemed like the temper in the hooks just was not right. Way too soft.

RE the problem of the fish coming unhooked I suspect that might be improved by using a larger hook. There is an awful lot of soft plastic frog getting in the way of the hookup. I would imagine this might compromise getting a good solid hookup. My ratio of bass landed vs the number of hookups is probably lower on frogs than for any other bait BUT I get so many more hookups using frogs that I gladly suffer the lower percentage landed. Has anyone tried using a trailer hook? I've thought about it but where I throw the frogs is primarily in the lily pads and the trailer hook would just add to the frustration I think.

Frogs are a darned good lure but they do need some "tweaking" and experimentation such as others have noted above to get the most out of them.

PPEN


   best way from mike (66.189.107.31)  6/13/2007 1:23:00 PM
 Is to use Mann's Hardnose Toads. They swim belly down even when you stop reeling and let them sink. The more dense plastic in the nose keeps them on an even keel without needing to modify them. They have an awesome leg action, and the hook up percentage is much better than the Horny toad due to the softer and more streamline body. Switched from the Zoom product early last season and now swear by the Hardnose.

Hope this helps, God bless, Mike.


   Horny Toads swimming upside down or down sideup. from Ron's T&C Tackle  6/13/2007 4:06:00 PM
 I have been using the Zoom horny Toads for about two years. The only way I can make it turn over is if I crank it to fast. Don't use a high speed reel like a 6.3.1 gear ratio. Swim them at the same speed a frog would swim. I also use and sell the Oldhams Frog Sticker Hook. Mine are Red. They have the screw lock. Screw the lock into the head of the toad and then run the shank of the hook in the slot of the toad. Then expose the point of the hook just a bit on the top of the toad. The weight of the hook will keep it right side up. If you want to fish it a little faster, add some stickey weight to the shank of the hook.

To Ppen. Zoom buy's the frog hooks from Oldhams. Same hook. Ya just got to know how to rig it and use it.

Thanks. Ron T.

Ron's T&C Tackle

   mY tAKE... from Bill (68.208.139.253)  6/14/2007 9:51:00 AM
 I too have been fishing the toad for a year or so. Use a 5/0 Gammy with no problems. Have been hit upside down and right side up. It's a reaction bait. Hook will go into the fish either way. I also use braid, Fireline Smoke. Feel the fish. Bill


   Toad toter Hook! from jocko (63.162.143.21)  6/15/2007 11:45:00 AM
 Google for a Toad Toter hook. It has a weighted keel and is the best hook I have used for toads.

It will grab grass though, but so will the hook eye at times.

You don't have to fish these toads right ON TOP. Try letting it sink and using it like a swim jig or spinnerbait. You'll do very well and have more hook ups.


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