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    Livewell Additives
from Earl Bennett (66.147.54.49)  
6/21/2007 2:24:00 PM

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 What livewell additives are you using on your fish to keep them live and healthy this summer.


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   Livewell additives from Ralph Manns  6/21/2007 3:10:00 PM
 There are two commercial additives that have been proven to work to increase survival ( as long as the fish in the livewell don't have LMBV): Catch and Release and Please Release Me. The chemicals in these products are known to biologists as beneficial to fish in holding tanks. Salt solutions and slight decreases in livewell temperature also are known to improve survival.

But, there has been no research, or limited research at best, on several new products recently introduced and touted that are supposedly good for bass in livewells. Apparently the products are produced and sold without the benefit of scientific support. One such product claims huge benefits. Upon the addition of this product, bass immediately appear more lively.

I suggest, however, that pouring an irritant on a bass (adding an irritant to the livewell) will make bass appear to be more lively as bass will try to escape more actively.

What is needed in livewells is a product that sedates and calms the fish to limit further stress rather than increase stress. Increased movement is a sign of increased stress.


   Fresh Water??? from SoonerFan (68.97.69.253)  6/21/2007 3:26:00 PM
 What's wrong with constantly bringing in fresh lake water?


   Livewell additives from bassnman30 (64.53.95.97)  6/21/2007 3:34:00 PM
 1st thing I do before launch is to prepare the water in my livewells with fresh water,areators on, and add the correct additives (rejuvinate). Keeps the fish alive and well. Fish don't like to be placed in a dry livewell.


   Please Release Me from Fish Atlanta Guide Service  6/21/2007 3:38:00 PM
 If I use an addative it is Please Release Me. I will not use Rejuvenade or some others due to the fact I feel it may actually harm bass rather than help them due to the reasons Ralph stated. -Randall

Fish Atlanta Guide Service
3691 Ben Hill Road
Douglasville, GA 30134

Call: 770-362-0942


   I use crack from BroP (205.244.126.49)  6/21/2007 4:11:00 PM
  two rocks per well keeps them kicking strong.. another bennie I've noticed is they are much easier to catch a second time..

seriously I use the Rejuvenade (sp) product because someone recommended it to me.. they sell it at Walmart and I read somewhere all the FLW people now use it..

this thread is the first I've heard stating Rejuvenade may actually be hurting my bass instead of helping them.. maybe I'm really using crack afterall.. very disturbing to read..


   Sooner fan from Ralph Manns  6/21/2007 5:14:00 PM
 In winter, constantly replacing livewell water with fresh is an excellent procedure. Unfortunately, after lake surface waters rise into the 80s, recirculation can be harmful. Many studies have shown keeping livewell water in the mid-70s F. aids survival as cooler water holds more oxygen. Water in the mid- to high-80s may hold less than the minimum 5 ppm/oxygen needed by bass, but even when it hold the minimal amount, a few bass easily draw the supply down below the necessary amount.

Moreover, lake surface water can be low in oxygen due to other factors, so actual oxygenation/aeration of recirculated cool water (filling livewells at dawn and adding some bottled ice), usually outperforms livewells filled with lake water as lake surface water gets warmer throughout the day.

Modern livewell procedures aimed at maximal bass survival only flush out enough water to eliminate excess accumulated ammonia and other fish waste byproducts.

All of the optimal procedures are outlined in the B.A.S.S. pamphlet "Keeping bass Alive."


   Thanks Ralph from SoonerFan (68.97.69.253)  6/21/2007 6:33:00 PM
 I never use the live well in my own boat because we always take my partners 20 footer instead of my 18 footer for tournaments. At our last tournament at Texoma a couple of weeks ago I ask him what kind or tonic he used, he told me he just recirculated fresh lake water through. Seemed to make sense at the time, but I wasn't thinking about the boat is pulling in warm oxygen poor surface water. However, I gotta say that at the weigh-in our fish were ready for another fight...in fact one of them nearly came out of the basket on the scale. Water temp that day was 84 to 87.


   What I do from Lucky Al  6/21/2007 9:27:00 PM
 Just fished a club tournament at Choke Canyon, where the water temp got up to 85* during the afternoon. It was a 3 fish/person limit. Next, I take along a seperate cooler bag that holds exactly eight 32 oz. gateraid bottles. Half of these bottles I fill with water, the other half I fill with unchlorinated water (preferably from the lake) and add 2 teaspoons of Please Release Me (PRM), and I freeze them all before the tournament. Then throughout the day, I put one or two of these frozen bottles in the livewell. I take the cap off the ones with the PRM. That way, as the ice melts, the PRM is slowly dispensed to replace that lost while running the aerator. At the weigh in, my 3 fish limit, including a 7.52 pounder, were lively and swam away quickly when I released them. From July - September, all our tournaments are team events, with a five fish limit. I don't know what the other contestants did during my tournament, but there was only one fish was dead at weigh in, which somebody took home to eat.


   Not from Alabama from Lucky Al  6/21/2007 9:29:00 PM
 but from South Texas!


   Great product from George, Imagination Bassin Guide Services  6/22/2007 5:35:00 AM
 

Please Release Me

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   Ralph, do you have any idea where this 5ppm from Hacked (75.89.73.227)  6/22/2007 11:02:00 AM
 came from? It is my understanding that this 5 ppm value originated many years ago with the EPA. 5 ppm was considered by the EPA to be a safe water quality parameter for environmental water for fish calmly cruising around in the steady lake state environment with no additional stressors.

The steady state environment of a lake is certainly not the situation for tournament hooked bass in a hauled all day in a little bass boat livewell or release boat livewell.

Mature tournament hooked bass being transported all day in a 60 MPH bass boat livewell all day during summer fishing tournaments is hardly considered a steady state environment, therefore hoping that 5 ppm will do the job and insure minimal safe oxygenation is a grand misconception.

Your TP&WD knows how to haul mature live bass with minimal fish kills; they are an excellent resource to learn how to transport live fish safely. They do not haul live fish like most tournament fishermen haul them by any stretch of ones imagination. They do not use any of the popular fish chemicals and their success is great compared to a bass fisherman's success. They don't use these chemicals because they are not FDA approved for use on food fish, plain and simple.. they obey the law.

If you know of any state of federal fishery agency that uses these bass chemicals or even recommends these chemicals, who are they? I can't find any in the USA.


   Minimal oxygen levels from Ralph Manns  6/23/2007 6:06:00 PM
 Scientific libraries likely hold more data on temperature and chemical tolerances of various fish species than any other single subject. I likely could find 15 or more different sources in my own library that either reported a lower limit of 5 ppm for bass or a range of values in that neighborhood. In the early days of fisheries and ichthyological science, measuring tolerances was one of the easiest science project that could be undertaken by a science student. Like stomach food samples for various waters, we have hundreds of reports. The result is that 5 ppm is a highly reliable average figure.


   Fish Additives from Ron (72.26.4.182)  6/24/2007 2:19:00 PM
 I have tried the Please Release me in Tournaments and have found that the bass still "spit up" their stomach contents. I have used the Rejuvenate with better success. We are now trying the new Oxygenator system and using ice to cool the water to increase the allowable oxygen saturation levels. One of the Tournament Circuits here in Texas is using it in each of their tanks. Cheaper than additives and uses very little battery juice. Just can't use it with additives that have salt.


   livewell from mofish (206.227.160.12)  6/25/2007 1:50:00 AM
  I also put in an extra air pump and air stones. I bought one of those 12v air pumps http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&partNumber=20898&hvarTarget=search&cmCat=SearchResults and some large air stones from wal-mart. I used silicon (safe for fish) to glue them to the wall inside the live-well. Hooked the 12v pump to the hot wires on the pumps and now everytime the pumps come on the airpump adds more oxygen to the water.

I also treat with frozen gatoraid bottles and Please Release ME.

have not lost a fish yet in the hot summer time here in Texas.


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