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    Suspending Jerkbait Question
from jyarb #11210  
12/10/2009 5:31:16 PM

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  This may be a stupid question, but I've been thinking about the shape of suspending jerkbaits. The great majority are long and slender minnow-shaped. In the South, the primary forage fish would be shad. We've got minnows like the log perch (creepy crawlers, sort of like a snail darter) that smallmouth like so well, but still the great majority of forage is shad.


So, the question is, is there a shad-shaped jerkbait? Do jerkbaits have to be long and slender to get the appropriate action, or could or would a shad-shaped one do as well. Wouldn't a short fatter version better imitate a dying shad?


There may be some short versions I'm not aware of. Have seen the Bevy Shad, but it's still not shad shaped. Am I way off base?

Edited 12/10/2009 5:49:38 PM

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   I Agree! from Small Dinghy  12/10/2009 5:52:19 PM
 Maybe it's the castability of the lure that keeps it that shape... Who the heck knows but they do work! Check out the Megabass Flap Slap Shad for a killer shad shaped bait... Say that 5x fast! They are very pricey but well worth it! :)

Edited 12/10/2009 5:54:16 PM


   Shad shape jerkbait from Fish Atlanta Guide Service  12/10/2009 6:37:40 PM
 Flat sided shad baits resist the rolling action of rounded more slender jerkbaits. But, I use a modified a rattle trap to give a suspending jerkbait type action with a shad profile. It takes cutting the bait open and moving some weight around but it can be done. There are some musky type jerkbaits that fit what you are loking for but they dart more side to side. -Randall

Fish Atlanta Guide Service
3691 Ben Hill Road
Douglasville, GA 30134

Call: 770-362-0942


   Shad Rap from L-Headhunter #16276  12/10/2009 7:29:01 PM
 I have had good luck using a Rapala Shad Rap with suspending dot weights fished like a jerkbait. I make mine slow sinkers so I can get them deeper but at neutral bouyancy they go about 6-8 ft deep. The spots around here seem to like the 2" shad color the best.


   X Rap Shad from Joe J #10528  12/10/2009 8:54:40 PM
 It has the Shad rap body but suspends pretty well.


   Lucky Craft Slim Shad from Mike Whitten  12/10/2009 9:56:23 PM
 Guys,
I have no relationship to the company, but Lucky Craft has a new bait out called Slim Shad--in a 7 and 9 size, that may be just what you are looking for. Shad body, similar to a Shad Rap, but with the LC weighting system. Throws good--suspends very well.


Mike Whitten


   Agree with the shad rap from Spookchucker #10778  12/11/2009 6:01:43 AM
 I tail weight mine.
If you look closely at dying shad, they swim up, then they rock back and slowly sink, with their tail down at an angle. A tail weighted shad rap is a nearly exact replica in looks and action.


   Suspending jerkbait from poissons  12/11/2009 7:35:12 AM
 I've been having good success also with the Shad Rap RS (suspending) 07 in a shad color (SD). I put one suspend dot near the tail and bring it back with jerks and pauses.
Very good for smallmouth in late fall.


   Shad Raps from Jeff Hahn  12/11/2009 8:31:16 AM
 As suggested, try a Shad Rap. Before they came out with the plastic suspending models, I used to hand-weight the old balsa Shad raps. I would drill them and insert small weights in the sides. It took some tinkering and a few ruined baits, but once I got the hang of it they really perform well. Now, of course, suspend strips and dots are easier to use.


Jeff Hahn


   Thanks guys from jyarb #11210  12/11/2009 12:08:13 PM
 I'm digging out the Shad Raps and going to modify them. Have gotten away from that lure in recent years. Mike: I ordered a couple of Slim Shads. Had not seen them before. Thanks again.


   suspending shads from jeremyf  12/11/2009 8:39:53 PM
 Hey, i fish jerkbaits alot and the x-rap shad and the lucky craft bevy shad are great shad are great suspenders and have the shad profile


   Thanks Jeremy from jyarb #11210  12/11/2009 10:04:06 PM
 I hate to say it, but I've had a Bevy Shad in one of my boxes for about 10 years and have never thrown it. Keep going back to the Pointers. Will give it a try.


   Bevy Shad... from MikeB/SpotCountry  12/12/2009 9:27:47 AM
 The Bevy Shad is prolly one of the most underated jerkbaits that Lucky Craft has. I use it in very specific locations but it can be used in any situation if needed.


The beauty of the Bevy is it dives deep and dives quick. So if you have a situation with a limited strike zone like a dock where you need to get down quick and fast the Bevy is a great choice for docks or any other type of short and fairly deep strike zone. I also use it alot when fishing bluff walls as well. Hope this helps.


Mike

Allatoona Bass Fishing (Atlanta, Georgia)
Email: mbucca@comcast.net
Website: www.TritonMike.com

   lucky craft from ChipP #11074  12/13/2009 12:31:20 AM
 Jyarb, Like Whitten said the Slim Shad D9 is an excellent shad shaped bait. I also just got a couple of the new Pointer 78 XD jerkbaits. I fished them this weekend and they performed great. They have a very tight wiggle. Now this bait does get down to about 9-10 feet, so it will go pretty deep for a jerkbait. However, its shorter in length (78 mm's) that the bigger pointers.


   Mike B and Chip from jyarb #11210  12/13/2009 6:36:32 AM
  Thanks for sharing some good information. Next trip I will have that Bevy on. Chip: I tried the Pointer 78XD yesterday for the first time also. Had gotten them a week ago at BPS in Birmingham. I liked the action. The bill reminds me of the Bevy in shape, but longer. Eager to try the slim Shad.


Have been using the Jackall Super DD Squirrel for several years with good success. It gets down to 10-12 ft on 10 fluro. At least that's what my depth finder was reading when I was trying to get it unhung a couple of times and it appeared to be stuck on the bottom. You tend to spend a little more time trying to get those $15 baits unhung.

Edited 12/13/2009 7:02:48 AM


   Jyarb. from MikeB/SpotCountry  12/13/2009 9:45:38 AM
 Squirriels are great jerkbaits. You don't hear about them much but some of the best rippers I know use them. Granted I am known for fishing swimbaits but I love jerkbait fishing! Chip recently wrote a great article on Probass about some of our favorites.


http://www.probass.net/protips/ChipPillow/cpillow1.php


Allatoona Bass Fishing (Atlanta, Georgia)
Email: mbucca@comcast.net
Website: www.TritonMike.com

   Bevy Shad not bevy popular from Bassdozer's Store  12/13/2009 11:25:01 AM
 

The Bevy Shad is not bevy different in shape, diving depth or application compared to the Pointer 78 DD. Here's a photo:


The Bevy Shad (bottom) is approx. the same size as a Pointer 78DD ( top).

It is not bevy popular in the USA, and I am trying to close them out ($4 off MSRP) by year end in my store - so if you want any Bevy Shads, they are on sale right now for $4 off.

 I don't really think I will be carrying the Bevy Shad in 2010 because it just doesn't sell compared to many other great jerkbaits that do.

In Japan, the Bevy Shad was "the" bait that made Lucky Craft famous. If I am not mistaken, the story is that, when Lucky Craft was still not popular, the JBTA Classic, I think a couple of top anglers or a couple of top tournaments were won with the Bevy Shad - and that made it very popular and kickstarted the Lucky Craft legend that exists to this day. I am not 100% sure of the story, but it is along those lines. I think it was the first Lucky Craft lure to become famous - and believe it is still highly-regarded in Japan is my understanding.

It's honestly a great bait (but not really shad-shaped) and can be used as both a jerk and crank bait - just it hasn't become popular with anglers in the USA. However, withthe popularity of the Pointers, I am sure Lucky Craft doesn't mind!

Another one that's not really shad-shaped either - but wider (and more expensive_ than most is the Megabass Trick Darter. In my opinion, this is the second best jerkbait by Megabass (ito vision 110 being first). As Small Dinghy says, the Megabass Diving Flap Slap is perhaps one of the most shad-shaped of all - almost perfect shad shape in body depth and thinness - but the "Diving" model is pretty unknown and new compared to the 110 or Trick Darter. It too may be cranked or jerked.

Some of the closest shad-shaped good jerkbaits of all (and also the least-known) are the Sebile Acast Minnows.

Take a look at any Acast Minnow. You'll see they have the same bodies and realistic baitfish profiles as the Magic Swimmer. The difference is the three-piece Magic Swimmer has no lip whereas the one-piece Acast Minnow has a lip to create an irresistible jerkbait action. Also, the Magic Swimmer is world-famous whereas the Acast Minnow is not yet.


From top down: Magic Swimmer 95 and Acast Minnow 95 ML. Magic Swimmer 125 and Acast Minnow 125 SL. Magic Swimmer 165 and Acast Minnow 165 MR.

The Acasts are as deep-bodied and as thin as the Magic Swimmer - and are good jerkbaits, some models suspend and some models are slow-floaters.

Edited 12/13/2009 11:34:48 AM


   Lot os bites on the Bevy shad from Spookchucker #10778  12/13/2009 12:16:00 PM
 As much as any jerkbait I have ever used, but I have a very hard time keeping them hooked up. I've tried all kinds of hooks, with no better results. A pointer is so close in size & shape but I rarely lose a fish on a pointer.


   Very nice article Chip from jyarb #11210  12/13/2009 4:00:02 PM
 Good rundown of the Lucky Craft jerkbait line. Learned a lot about their specific applications. Also had wondered why so many jerkbaits, now I know.


Jimmy Mason had clued me in on Slender Pointers for smallmouths. The Pointer 100 has been very good to me on Guntersville for big heads in the winter. My biggest largemouth came on a Staysee 90.


Guess I will have to get a couple more jerkbait rods and fish 5 days a week instead of two or three to give all these a shot. Thanks guys


   jyarb, Jimmy lied!!!! from ChipP #11074  12/13/2009 6:15:21 PM
 Whatever Jimmy Mason told you about the Slender pointer is a lie. don't ever fish them on the TN river chains, especially Pickwick. THey will not catch a single fish. Smallmouth hate them PLEASE don't throw them (so that when I do the fish won't have seen them any). I'm kidding. I hear Jimmy murders the Smallmouth with a slender pointer.


Thanks for the compliment on the article. glad it was helpful.
cp


   Russ: Forgot to thank you. Is there more info on from jyarb #11210  12/13/2009 6:53:27 PM
 the Acasts on your site. How deep do they go, size,etc. Will have to take a close look at the Megabass baits. Just out of curiosity, do you see trends of certain baits and colors being real hot in certain parts of the country? Like what's hot around Guntersville and other lakes?


   Unibody Magic Swimmers with Lips (Acast Minnows) from Bassdozer's Store  12/13/2009 10:31:43 PM
 

Unibody Magic Swimmers with Lips (Acast Minnows)

HiYarb, you are welcome. I have not heard from anyone with any recent tips about Guntersville.

Here is some Acast minnow info for you:

Take a look at any Acast Minnow. You'll see they have the same bodies and realistic baitfish profiles as the Magic Swimmer. The difference is the three-piece Magic Swimmer has no lip whereas the one-piece Acast Minnow has a lip to create an irresistible jerkbait action. Also, the Magic Swimmer is world-famous whereas the Acast Minnow is not yet.


From top down: Magic Swimmer 95 and Acast Minnow 95 ML. Magic Swimmer 125 and Acast Minnow 125 SL. Magic Swimmer 165 and Acast Minnow 165 MR.

The Acast Minnow comes in sizes suited for light tackle or smaller fish (95), ordinary fishing situations (125) and big bass on heavy tackle (165). If you have a favorite Magic Swimmer size, try that size Acast Minnow jerkbait as well.

The Acast Minnow family is designed to be able to cast one an incredibly long distance. The flat sides are designed to move or stir a lot of water beside the bait, creating turbulences to attract fish from a further distance, whether you work one fast or slow. Think of the kind of flat stick you get to stir a gallon of house paint - that's the basic idea with the Acast's flat sides - to stir a lot of water.

Several good Acast Minnow models to try include:

  • 95 SL and 125 SL. When you see their broad sides flashing, you'll realize just how much water those sides are stirring. Both the 95 SL and 125 SL run 3-4 feet deep. Both have lifelike darting action when jerked. One dependable tactic is to jerk them without pausing too long. They will rise - but not very quickly - if you pause too long. Mainly keep jerking and moving them to excite fish into striking. I have heard from anglers who wrapped solder wire on the hooks and make them suspend, and do well in cold water with them. The main difference between the two 95 SL and 125 SL is the body length and therefore the size of fish they tend to attract, and the tackle used. Like the Magic Swimmer 95, the Acast 95 is suited for smallmouth, spotted bass or small largemouth with relatively lighter tackle. The Acast 125, like the Magic Swimmer 125, is suited for decent-sized largemouth and medium-heavy tackle.
  • 95 ML and 125 ML. The 95 ML reaches depths to 6 feet or more, and suspends there. The 125 ML dives to 8 or more feet, and suspends. They're at their best when you pause one for a spell, a ploy that shines from late late fall throgh early spring when the water temperature is changing but still cold and fish key off the long pauses that are so deadly with the 95 ML and 125 ML.
  • 165 MR. To selectively target trophy bass in deep water, the 165 MR dives 10-14 feet deep and has the same realistic baitfish profile and body size as the Magic Swimmer 165.


   This is what BFHP is about. from elunde #15403  12/14/2009 11:11:56 AM
 Thanks everyone for sharing.


   Nice Job, Chip from Mike Whitten  12/14/2009 11:08:48 PM
 Accolades well deserved--very nicely written article, now shet the hexx up about my Slender 112's--and there is one I h'ain't tole you about yet!!!


Whitten


   Yes, Sharing is what this place is all about. from plantalgaeous  12/15/2009 8:24:55 AM
 


Amen, and amen. Maniacal, Unselfishing sharing to boot. All is good. Oh hear the angles voices. Merry Christmas.


   Reaction Time from plantalgaeous  12/15/2009 8:50:19 AM
 
The deeper we go, where there is more water pressure, and less light, the water is colder, reaction time of all organisms (I.E. small mouth, spots, walleyes, lake trout, etc.) is slower. Slow presentations of longer, better contrasted, a tad flashier baits, allows that something extra that shorter baits don't have under those conditions.

RZ


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