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    Straight shank hooks for flipping???
from 710brownfish #17012  
5/2/2012 1:36:18 PM

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 What is the purpose or benefit of using a straight shank hook for flipping?


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   I think because from 5keepers  5/2/2012 2:20:30 PM
  the snell knot works best on it.
Watch this: http://www.flwoutdoors.com/flwondemand.cfm?cs=tipsfromthepros&vid=10848
   Video is aa good explanation..... from Ralph Manns  5/2/2012 2:50:16 PM
 ... for using a snell knot. The line entering the hook eye from the barb-side forces the hook into a "biting" position. However, the case made is for using a snell knot, rather than for using a straight-shanked hook. A snell knot with a traditional z-bend worm hook will do the same thing. And z-bends usually hold the worm in proper position without special extra high-cost features.


25 years ago we all used straight-chanked hooks. When I switched to z-bend hooks I found them superior. I now use only wide-gap z-bends for worming. But recently some friends reportedly have better results with straight-shanked hooks, mainly when fishing close-to or under the boat (flipping). Perhaps the down angle makes strait shanks better hookers, but I don't think so and I have no explanation for that claim. It is true however, that I'm more likely to have a worm-fish jump-off when hooked under the boat? Perhaps I should use a snell rather than my regular DLCK if fishing at short ranges. I'm open to further explanation.


   Not just the knot. I use straight shanks on almost all plastic whether I am flippin or not. from Wackoman  5/2/2012 7:32:30 PM
 
I only use fluorocarbon for plastics and always tie a braid knot regardless the type of line or size or line. A Snell on a 5/0 with 20 lb fluoro is beyond my capabilities. I have tried many times.


I can't explain it in technical terms but I started using straight shank hooks about ten years ago and there is a big difference in the hook-up and land ratio in my opinion. I have no data to back that up but my confidence is much higher when I have a straight shank hook on plastics versus an offset style hook.


A lot of top pro still use a offset or a wide gap offset hooks and do very well. So what do I know. Like I said confidence is everything for me.


The problem with straight shank hooks (especially as sharp as they are no days) is keeping the point buried and the worm straight. An offste is easy in this respect.


Also with hollow baits like tubes and some of the creature baits that are hollow there is little meat to put the hook into. I have over the last few years started to use the Owner Twistlock Flippin Hooks (see photo) for all tubes or hollow baits. These are the best hooks I have found for flippin these types baits. I have fished with Glenn Browne a number of times and his go to flippin bait is a big Gambler Tube. He uses a 4 or 5/0 wide gap gammy. Or at least the last time I fished with him he did and he is 100 times the fisherman than I am. So again...what do I know.


The problem or at least in my mind with the Owner Twist Lock is the eye is outside of the plastic. I have helped this some by adding a plastic bead and of course pegging the weight but I wish someone would come up with a soft tungsten weight could be molded to fit perfectly over the eye of this style hook.


Hey! Maybe I will do that! I need 5 Keepers to partner with me in this venture. He has money.



   I just spent from 5keepers  5/2/2012 7:39:03 PM
 my last spare $120 with Fisherboy to get me one of those fancy rods like you two use. Line runs under the rod here boss!


   The deal is... from 710brownfish #17012  5/2/2012 8:55:43 PM
 flipping/punching just isn't something I have done much of. On the lakes I fish 99% of the time, there's nothing thick to do it to. I have begun to fish a lake though where it is necessary, so I'm working like crazy to become good at it. All the videos I watch, they ALWAYS make a big deal about using the straight shank hook, but they never say why.


   Striaght Shank from jhopper51 #20523  5/2/2012 11:20:16 PM
 I flip and punch mats a lot. Today, I use a straight shank tied with a snell knot. This is a change from EWG Superline. I dont normally change up my hooks or knots when I find something I like. But I am convinced that my current setup puts more fish in the boat. Very rarely do I miss a flipping fish and havent lost one in recent memory. (knock on wood) They just hook up and hold better. Plus, the ones I use are stronger than other hooks. I use 7'11" XH rod, 65lb braid and the Hack Attack. my experience is that the bait keeper will not fail and they are sharp. As mentioned earlier, its all about being confident and this works the best for me.


   jhopper51 from 5keepers  5/3/2012 3:28:43 PM
  I didn't know what you meant by Hack Attack. I did some Google searches and came up with Hack Attack heavy cover flipping hook as shown here: http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Strike_King_Hack_Attack_Heavy_Cover_Flipping_Hooks/descpage-SKHAFH.html
I
ume this is what your referring to.


   Yes Sir from jhopper51 #20523  5/3/2012 7:21:55 PM
 Not to dawg out the other brands, but I tried them all once I was sold on the concept. The strike king hack attack is strong, sharp, and the keeper is bulletproof. IMO, they are best.


   Thanks for sharing that vid, 5keepers... from 710brownfish #17012  5/3/2012 9:28:30 PM
 I went out and tied that knot, it's super! Gonna start doing that more often, it looks and feels like a perfect knot for that kind of presentation.


   Here's a slight variation on that knot. from 710brownfish #17012  5/3/2012 9:38:05 PM
  http://youtu.be/tDFdZ4LDjVc

   Not a variation in my opinion. What you posted brownfish is a real or original Snell. from Wackoman  5/4/2012 10:55:28 AM
 


What JT ties is some sort of modified Snell I guess. I can tell you JT's knot is a lot easy to tie and I am sure just as good or he wouldn't use it.


JT also uses trailer hooks I think. Because the shank has no bard to interfere with the Snell knot.



   Tell me about it... from 710brownfish #17012  5/4/2012 1:03:18 PM
 I tied that thing on a TroKar hook (with that black keeper) and it wasn't easy. That knot JT tied is strong, really strong....I messed with it all sorts of ways just jerking and seeing how it would act....perfect!


I think I'm gonna try that more "original" one though, it looks stronger (whether or not more strength is even needed).


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