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    Flippin rigging question
from billsp from NJ #10585  
5/19/2012 7:11:38 PM

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 Just fished the FLW Potomac event as a coangler and broke off a nice one that cost me a check, around $700. Had two flippin rigs on 7 ft rods, 50# braid with about 3 ft of Viscous 15# FC, 1/2 tungsten wt, bobber stopper and a hefty hook onto the plastic bait. Hefty bite, set the hook on one like the 4+ #er I had just landed and it was gone. I know I should have retied. Thinking about the breakoff makes me think the tungsten wt scuffed or freyed the line. Later, I gave the other rig a pull test and the FC broke. Don't think the milfoil we were fishing frayed the line, so I'm looking elsewhere to avoid a repeat. I went straight braid w/o FC for the rest of the day on that type rig and probably that would be OK on tidal water. Any recommendations for the braid-FC combo for when I go up north and clearer water?


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   I have been there from 5keepers  5/19/2012 7:47:11 PM
 and feel your pain.
Flurocarbon line is great line and I fish it more on casting rigs than any other type line.
Having said that fluro does not handle very hard abrupt hooks sets very well.
Did line break or knot break/fail?
If I had to guess I would guess knot.
Was it a single knot or double knot?
I think there are only 2 knots for use in tying on hooks
for fluro......double San Diego Jam and Double line Clinch Knot.
I have had Palomar fail many times and will not use it.
If it is not your knot failing then I think you have 3 things to think on:
1-using heavier fluro ( I use 25 on my flipping rig)
2-lighter hook set
3-going back to mono.
I guess there is a forth....straight braid but not for me!
Some points to ponder!


   bite from Dwight #10907 #10907  5/20/2012 9:29:43 AM
 It could have been a snakehead. I have had trouble with tungsten cutting braided line as well. The newer weights without the liners that have beveled polished holes seem to cut less. I use 20lb Stren for flipping on the Potomac unless your down near Aquia then you need to go up to 25.


   Dwight - That's where it was from billsp from NJ #10585  5/20/2012 11:12:33 AM
 I'd caught a 4-06 #er just before that and it just held the bait without the typical thump-thump. This broke off fish wacked it fairly hard twice; so it could have been one of those touthy critters. I tied a hook onto a new piece of 15# FC yesterday in the garage and rubbed the 1/2 oz tungsten up and down the line about 15 times for an inch or so and it was frayed bad. I'll try some 20 or 25#FC for this rig when I flip at Champlain and the 1000 Islands but may just stay with straight braid for tidal fishing. And, I'm going to try rigging with a bobber stopper above and below the tungsten to minimize movement. Retying after a good fish has got to help, but you know how it goes when they are biting good.


   Bill? from RJR  5/20/2012 5:22:44 PM
 why not just use a lead sinker?


   Rjr from billsp from NJ #10585  5/20/2012 8:41:42 PM
 That could work, I just got used to the size and feel of the tungsten; plus if you're in Vt waters, lead is NA if wt is 1/2 oz or less. I'll try some more setups on the Susq Flats where the milfoil and LMs are similar to the Potomac.


   Viscious from Tubejig  5/21/2012 7:04:07 AM
 Had Viscious floro break than any other brand. mono seems to be ok.


When usuing florocarbon, try another brand, Seagaur is good stuff.


   Inserts from tlkl1 #17667  5/21/2012 8:45:43 AM
 Does you're weights have inserts? If not, get some with.


Terry


   same thing on guntersville from 1sg  5/21/2012 10:52:30 AM
 I had the same setup, but with a split shot rig (light carolina rig) and a tube to suspend above the grass. I had 2 breakoffs as well.


Your flipping bite was probably a reaction bite and the FC leader would not have been needed.


   Why the leader? from dvdstewart #20887  5/21/2012 11:27:27 AM
  You shouldn't need a fluro leader to flip with, no matter how clear the water may be. I've flipped ALOT of clear water and if you drop it in his face, he's either going to bite it or not....I usually color the last 3-4 four feet of my braided line with a black sharpie....works for me.

Edited 5/21/2012 11:30:40 AM


   fluoro leaders on the Potomac from 31Airborne  5/21/2012 11:45:16 AM
 If I'm fishing heavy cover (grass) I use straight braid. I tried leaders (fluoro and mono) and have had limited success. For me, eliminating the leader eliminates a potential point of failure. DVDStewart nailed it - the fish isn't keying on your braided line when you're flippin'. Why run the risk when you don't have to?


   ditto no leader but from MikeF  5/21/2012 12:04:24 PM
 I was taught that flipping is a reaction bite and you do not need a leader. But if you use an FC leader you have to set your drag. FC doesn't stretch fast enough to adsorb a shock load so if you lock your drag you will break the FC.


   Same here... from luvfishin  5/28/2012 11:55:09 AM
 I normally use straight 65# braid but have used 30lb braid with no issues on Guntersville in the grass. Now I'd never frog with less than 65#. I have also flipped/pitched with 20lb Invisix with no issues and I always use a Polymer knot. If I break off, it's almost always my fault.


I'm of the opinion that almost ALL bass fishermen set the hook too hard esp. when flipping/pitching. With today's hooks (esp. Trokar) and line a short but quick jerk is all that is necessary to embed those hooks deep into even the toughest jaw. The end of a LONG cast is the exception to the rule. The set has to be hard to have an effect on the other end. That's my story... you're mileage may vary but I seldom lose a flipping fish once I stick 'em. :)


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