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    braid or flouro for senko's
from alp #10186 #10186  
7/17/2012 4:13:57 AM


 What's your choice...Have not tried the flourocarbon yet, the braid works better in the grass but sinks slow...just rounding up a few opinions...

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   I use braid with a floro leader from Spookchucker #10778 #10778  7/17/2012 5:38:38 AM
 The floating braid is a great strike indicator, and the floro is less visible and sinks better.

   I use braid with a very long floro leader from Harumph #11038 #11038  7/17/2012 8:01:51 AM
 When I secure the floro to the end of the braid I reel a good 50 foot or so of line onto the reel.

This cuts way down on the issue of the floro jumping off the spool.

It also allows me to have a few wraps of floro on the spool when I set the hook. This way I don't have to worry any knot issues.

   $8.29 a bag at basspro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! from 1sg  7/17/2012 8:40:04 AM
 BTW, most times I don't feel the strike ( I watch the line) on a senko type bait, I use a highly visible line like stren in gold saltwater color and a flouro leader.

   Okay next question from alp #10186 #10186  7/17/2012 10:05:03 AM
 are you tying the lines together or using a swivel to do so...what knot are you tying to join the two ?
thanks again,

   Double Uni Knot from Harumph #11038 #11038  7/17/2012 11:20:53 AM

   ditto on FC leader and uni-knot from MikeF  7/17/2012 11:34:06 AM
 I use a 4' FC leader tied to the braid with a uni-uni knot. I do not have knot problems.

   Senkos from Ralph Manns  7/17/2012 4:20:33 PM
 Use the 4" size Senko, weightless, with 14# white Fireline and a 10 foot 12# fluoro leader (Red lable). The line serves as a strike bobber while the Senko sinks. As noted in prior posts. I use a Gamy weedless widegap hook size 1.

Works for me!

   thanks guys from alp #10186 #10186  7/17/2012 5:46:07 PM
 now I need to learn to tie the knot, and thanks for the link for the knot...

   the uni uni knot is key from RobShaw  7/18/2012 1:29:10 PM
 if tied correctly, the knot will not fail! (thanks WayneP)

   What about the knot hitting the guides? from BASSNBOB #18956  7/18/2012 1:50:34 PM
 What about the knot hitting the guides. I tied a similar diameter braid to a 12lb FC leader using a uni-uni knot, and I could feel the knot hang on the guides when I was slowly reeled in or while casting. I never quite got used to it. Reluctantly, I switched back to mono. Am I the only one who experienced this?

   i too thought that would be an issue... from RobShaw  7/18/2012 3:14:39 PM
 but it's really not (pun)

   Uni-Uni Knot from Wayne P.  7/18/2012 3:24:42 PM
 A properly tied knot will work and cast very well with up to 20# fluorocarbon (haven't tried any larger). I use it for all my leader/braid connections and 6# or 8# mono equivelent diameter braids. I use the 20# fluorocarbon size about 95% of the time. the only reason I may use a smaller fluroocarbon is I cannot get a palomar knot to fit in a dropshot hook eye using the 20#.
I have a micro-guide Ducket spinning rod and have no problem casting or retrieving weightless presentations. It has 40# Daiwa Samuari with 20# XPS Flurocarbon. Actually right now I have 12 rigs with that line setup in my boat.
Yes, you feel the knot hitting the guides, but what do you expect when a knot passes through rod guides no matter what line combo you use. The key is getting the line loops in order and tightening very snugly, then cutting the tag ends flush with the knots. When tying, I mostly use 6-turns on both sides except for the Ducket rod, then I use 8 turns on the braid side to get a more tapered knot for better casting through the small tip guide.
I mostly use finesse and Trick worms weightless so a heavy Senko pulling the knot through the guides is not even noticeable to me.
I only use a leader that is short enough to not let any of the leader go on the reel and short enough that when I put the hook on the hook keeper to go in the rod box, the fluorocarbon line is not in the tip guide (I don't want that kink in my line). I use the braid partially because of the mono line (any single filament line) memory and surely don't want to add that back to my setup with a leader that does wrap around the reel spool at any point.
Additionally I don't use the fluorocarbon line for what most do, I use it for weight to overcome the floating characteristic of the braids and it is easier to break off than that strong braid when I get hung up.

   actually was using a uni knot on 250# leader Saturday from MikeF  7/18/2012 6:48:22 PM
 Normally I crimp but did not have the tool on board so I was tying on 13/0 hooks with a 5 turn uni knot. The hooks failed before the knot. RangerRex was there and can be my witness.

As for the uni-uni knot hitting the guides that can be annoying. Normally my leader is shorter than the rod so it's not an issue but if it is you can pull the knot to 70% of breaking strength a couple of times that will seat the knot and then you can trim the tag very short. But like Rob and Wayne said it's not really a problem.

   What about the knot hitting the guides... from Harumph #11038 #11038  7/20/2012 7:47:23 AM
 That is why I use a long leader on my rig.

I basically secure the ends with the uni-uni and reel enough line onto the spool to cover a long cast.

Then you don't have that annoying knot hitting guides.

Plus the knot is still on the spool when you set the hook.

   I use #15 fluoro . . . from 31Airborne  7/29/2012 5:42:30 PM
 . . . on senkos. No issues getting fish out of heavy grass or wood cover. I use P-Line 100% fluoro.

I have used braid for senkos on the Potomac. In that presentation I'm swimming the bait across the top of matted grass. Need the braid to handlke the fish that strike deep in the gnarly stuff.



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