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    Bass fishing and the 10,000 hour rule
from jyarb  
9/5/2012 7:14:06 AM

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 Brandon Card, BASS rookie of the year, has a very interesting article on the BASS web site today. He states that he has always heard that time on the water was one of the most important factors in becoming a good angler. We've all heard that.


Here is a quote from his article: "In his book Outliers: The Story of Success, Malcolm Gladwell reveals his findings from studying successful people and the factors that made them succeed. He describes what he calls the 10,000-hour rule. Basically, if you want to become successful at any endeavor in life, you need to spend at least 10,000 hours practicing it. We all know that Mozart, Bill Gates and The Beatles were all born with innate talent in their respective fields. Gladwell looked deeper and found that their surroundings impacted their opportunities to refine that talent. Being born with talent was just the beginning."


Pretty thought provoking to me. I have fished with a few guys that seem to just be "naturals", but looking back at them, they had all spent a lot of time on the water. As stated in my post below, a good fishing partner or several of them can be a big factor in improving your fishing and can shortcut the learning curve. How you spend that 10,00 hours is a big part of it, but there has to be more. Some guys have a burning desire to make it to the pros, but just don't seem to quite have what it takes. So what makes a Clunn or KVD or the number of local anglers that are standouts so good?



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   My fishing partner from landm #19856  9/5/2012 11:56:01 AM
 always says "he's just a lucky SOB, you cant beat lucky"! Im not sure I believe all that but thats his theory! LOL


   I've spent all morning trying to convince my wife that this rule from jyarb  9/5/2012 3:06:46 PM
 10,000 hour rule applies to our sex life, but she says we are too old. Wish I had seen this idea years before. I'm going to drag out the calculator and see where we stand.


   equation from Ralph Manns  9/5/2012 3:31:54 PM
 natural skills + practice + accumulated experience + knowlelge about bass biology and environmental ecology + ability to combine these all effectively = winners


   Time on the water from jhopper51 #20523  9/5/2012 7:50:23 PM
 Day in and day out its tough to beat time on the water. The best fisherman have enough experience to adjust to changing conditions. The faster that a fisherman can recognize what is happening and have the knowledge to do what needs to be done to capitalize on it will almost always outfish someone without the same experience and knowledge. Additionally, someone who puts time in on one body of water can locate and stay on fish, know how and when they are feeding and what they want to bite the best. A man that has been fishing a lake all week has a huge advantage over a guy that has just shown up and has to figure everything out from the beginning. I have been at this game a long time and I am a student of the craft. I can honestly say my skills, knowledge and ability gets better each year. I have an 8 year old son that has been fishing with my partner and I for a few years now. He can flip and pitch accurately and quietly. He skips piers decently. He fishes with the same tackle I have. I have to drag him off of the water. The experience and knowledge he learns from being with my partner and I is HUGE. Any question he has gets answered honestly and freely. I am happy to pass on what I have to make him better. If he continues to fish and add to what I teach him there is no doubt that he will be an amazing fisherman. That is how I believe the truly great fisherman are made. All that said, I sure do like it when the luck comes my way.


   I thought it was 10,000 times vice hours... from RobShaw  9/6/2012 8:28:14 AM
 Hell, if its hours, why do I still suck at jig fishing? lol


   10,000 also shows from BR400  9/6/2012 3:11:35 PM
 They have the desire to keep at it.


I think BR200 has fished 5000 hours this year!


   In related news... from 710brownfish #17012  9/6/2012 5:27:55 PM
 I sell for a living, and the name of the game is activity. See more prospects = make more sales. I saw a documentary once about KVD, and while I don't remember the exact numbers (I'll make them up to illustrate), it said the average tournament angler made 400 casts in a tournament day. KVD made 600. Not the precise numbers, but you get the point.


   To put that number in perspective. There are 2080 work hours in a year. Regular time of course. from Wackoman  9/7/2012 3:09:31 PM
 


Nobody fishes 2000 hours a year. You can't do it I don't care if your initials start with a K and end with a D. Half of that would be an enormous effort. At that you are fishing 3 or 4 days a week at 8 hours a day year-round.


So what are we talking? 10 years of that practice schedule? I'm calling bullchit on the 10,000 hour rule. Sorry.


Maybe if we are counting about all the time spent talking about fishing. Dreaming about fishing. Reading about fishing. Shopping for tackle. Organizing talking. Working on a boat that is always in disrepair. Then maybe 10,000 hours are required. But on the water for 10,000 hours? Nope. Not required before one is an excellent fisherman. 200 is living proof.

Edited 9/7/2012 3:10:21 PM


   Wacko...I think from Jeff Hahn  9/7/2012 3:20:28 PM
 Wacko: I think the author would count the reading about, talking about, map study, doing tackle, etc. If you're learning about or practicing the task, I suspect that time counts in the 10,000 hours.


Jeff Hahn


   Probably Jeff, but still not a believable number for anyone with average IQ and motor skills. from Wackoman  9/7/2012 3:51:48 PM
  Again that is 8 hours a day, 5 days a week for 5 years. Just a couple of years of that would make most guys toss all their tackle into the lake and go home to watch HGTV.


Just one wacko's opinion.


Then too I guess one's definition of "successful" comes to bear. Brandon himself said he figured he had about 9,000 hours in to date and he is talking about on the water time not dreaming or reading time. That is a number that is hard for me to believe but I would say he is very successful today. Elite series ROY right? But to him successful may be when and if he is Classic champ. Who knows.


I do not consider myself particularly smart or gifted. But if all I did was bass fish all day every day then I believe after a year or two I could fish with anybody short of the dozen or so guys that win everything all the time. Those guys don't even have to practice.

Edited 9/7/2012 3:52:23 PM


   There is an intangible factor from jyarb  9/7/2012 4:55:13 PM
 Some guys are just naturals. I wouldn't call it lucky, but they for some reason seem to catch more and bigger fish. We had a guy (Johnny) in our club like that. To give an illustration, in one of our tournaments he got paired with one of our best anglers. When they weighed in, he had 9 keepers and the the other guy 1. I asked his partner what happened and he said it beat anything he had ever experienced. He said they would make the same cast with the same lure and their baits would hit within inches of each other and Johnny would catch a 5lb. fish and he would catch a small one. This wasn't a one time experience. Johnny was the non-boater and won our club championship several times. It's more than luck.


   LOL, yep I know a Johnny yarby. Hate him too;) from Wackoman  9/7/2012 6:51:05 PM
 nm


   I know a guy like that from Jeff Hahn  9/8/2012 12:15:44 AM
 I know a guy like that. Luckily, he's my tournament partner! I bet he gets 5 bites to my one...same bait, same everything. I think it's his pheromones! Remember the old Dr. Juice ad in Bassmaster. It showed Roland's and Al Lindner's low scent profile. While I think that was bunk, there's something going on with some guys. Even when we fish open water, he'll out catch me 5 to 1. But, I am often the one who catches our big bass. Go figure.


Jeff Hahn


   Some people... from Joe J #10528 #10528  9/8/2012 10:01:13 AM
 ...learn quicker and forget less. If you spend 5 hours on a dead pattern or place, rather than 1, I dont think that counts. I think the 10,000 hour thing is really just an illustration that it takes a lot of time to be good at something, not a literal number...."ding! You've reached 10,000 hours and now you're great!"...good posts...


   Back to the equation from Ralph Manns  9/10/2012 6:17:35 PM
 I should have included another element: + "desire".


Every factor counts. The balance may be different in different successful pros, but they need some of it all. Any total absence will make an angler non-competitive.


   I think 10000 is right on from DocG  10/17/2012 5:16:02 PM
 I think I fish close to 1000 hrs a year. If you figure that on average week I fish Friday and Saturday. Some weeks more, some weeks less. On a practice day I'll fish 12-14 hrs. On a tournament day 8-10. So if you figure an average of 20 hrs/wk *50 weeks that's 1000 hrs. Ten years would be 10,000 hrs. I've been at it pretty hard for about 15 years. I've been pretty competitive for the last 10 years, but I do feel like that my OTW decisions come much more naturally now than they did 5 years ago.


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