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    BFL All American
from Ranger520vx #10211 #10211  
7/1/2012 4:11:53 PM


  I posted this on the fishing reports on Neely Henry. I don't know how long it will stay up. I wanted to see what some of you thought about it. The last paragraph is the story.

Fished the BFL as a co-angler out of City Dock on Neely Henry yesterday. 93 boats on a hot bluebird sky day. Temps in the 103-105 range. Had a little breeze most of the day thank goodness. Water temps got up to 90.6. FLW did a good job taking care of fish. I was one of the last to weigh, and the guy said he had about 12 dead fish that he knew of. Of course you never really know how many survived after being turned loose.

I drew a super really nice guy from Bessemer. We didn't catch many fish, but had some great company. I had five that weighed 8-04. Culled two more. Had three 2 lbers and 2 12in fish. Needed one more two. Finished 2 places out of the money. That's fishing.

Of course someone always finds them. My hats off to Wes Logan with 15.01 on the boater side. What really surprised me was the co-angler weights. Robert Huffine has 4 fish that weighed 15.01 Wow Then Scott Curvin had 14.11 for second, and Ferlin Weeks had 13.06 for third. Good job guys.

My boater told me a story that I found disturbing. He said last year he fished the wild card. He said that there was at least one FLW Tour pro (Kevin Snider)that paid entry fees($1,100)for all the tournaments in one division, but didn't fish a tournament. That qualified him to fish the Wild Card, where he finished second which qualified him to fish the All-American. He finished 12th there which knocked some weekend angler out of $5,000. If he had finished in the top six there he would have qualified for the Forrest Wood Cup. I don't fish a division any more, but if I did I would express my dislike for this to FLW. If everyone of the pros figure this out, there may be a lot more try to get into the back door to the Forrest Wood Cup for $1,100. Plus will knock some people out of fishing the All American. I don't think it is fair for a weekend angler to fish against a FLW pro.

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Edited 7/2/2012 11:03:06 PM

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   Rules from Papafins  7/1/2012 4:58:20 PM
 It has been that way forever and I'm sure that lots of guys have fished two or three and got in the wild card by paying all the fees.
I don't have a problem with it as its really like someone fishing all of them but not catching fish, he did pay all the entry fees that were added to the pot, so hhe really didn't back in.

You could write a letter to the FLW and let them know how you feel, I'm sure more folks feel the same way, and unless you tell the FLW it won't do any good.

Just my opinion.

   Snider from Ranger520vx #10211 #10211  7/1/2012 5:17:12 PM
  Sorry I missed Sniders entry fees. Guess I was thinking Co-angler. His was $1,100.

That is why I'm posting this to make the guys aware of it, and if they don't like it they can make it known to FLW. I just don't think it is right for a weekend guy to fish against the pros. Like I said what if say 25 of them decided to do this. Then there would probably 6 pros at the All American. The guy doesn't even have to fish to qualify, so he doesn't have to travel, and spend money on gas and motel rooms. Just doesn't seem fair to me.

Edited 7/1/2012 11:33:51 PM

   if you want limited competition-stick with club tournys from Beartrap   7/1/2012 5:24:40 PM
 once you start fishing open tournys,the competition gets tougher...the pros biggest advantage is that they have a lot more experience and can adapt to any lake they fish but always felt like I could hold my own on local or regional lakes against the pros....toughest competition is good local fishermen with a lot of brushpiles out.....

   Yes, but from Jeff Hahn  7/1/2012 5:44:01 PM
 Yes, eliminating this rule would "reduce competition," but for all those guys who fished the divisional events and showed their loyalty to BFL should have priority over someone who does not fish a single event, but pays a big entry fee, perhaps to fish a body of water they know well. In many clubs it is customary to have a rule that someone can pay for a tournament they can not fish because of conflicting commitments in order to be able to fish a championship. But, how about a club member who never fishes an event, but pays all the entry fees and then wins the championship...ain't fair in my book. Same thing here. In general, I was always very happy with the way FLW ran the BFL series. But, I always saw this rule as unfair. The Wild Card was supposed to be a way of rewarding the loyalty of people who fished all the events, but missed qualifying for a regional. Allowing someone to pay all of the entry fees to fish is just "all about the money."

Jeff Hahn

   got to agree with not being able to buy your way in from Beartrap   7/1/2012 6:16:16 PM
  I could live with paying for one, possibly two tournaments you missed but not buying the whole year.....
the first all american i fished, Kevin Wirth,Brent Chapman,Peter T.,Doug Garett and several more guys who did nothing but fish for a living were it but they earned their way in...
(gave me great pleasure that i beat all of them but one).....


Edited 7/1/2012 6:17:13 PM

   You can pay co angler fees for all 5 in a division from Art #12596 #12596  7/2/2012 7:40:11 AM
 not fish any of them and still opt to fish the wild card as a boater. thinking this isn't right either..jus sayin

   entry fee from Ranger520vx #10211 #10211  7/2/2012 9:07:15 AM
 Art In my original post I stated he paid $550 which is the co-angler fee. He probably had to pay the boater fee of $1,100. Sorry for the confusion.

   wildcard from John Lorenzo #11230 #11230  7/2/2012 9:17:05 AM
 I find it funny that Kevin, who's is a great fisherman and even better one on Kentucky Barkley lakes , had the insight to pay for all the BFL's in one division before he knew the wildcard was on Barkley lake???? I mean the wildcard can be anywhere down south, must have had a REAL good gut feeling it was going to be on a lake he knew so well. :)

   Pro vs Weekender from SMS #11748 #11748  7/2/2012 10:42:47 AM
 I agree with Jeff, as usual, that an angler should have to actually "fish" a certain number of events in a division to qualify, however, it's not because they're a pro. I think you're giving the pros too much credit. I've seen many a "pro" go down in flames against local talent, so it's still a gamble. John Lorenzo's post is the most interesting, though. Snider took a huge gamble that the wild card lake was one of his favorites, or........ did he have some inside info on the selection? hmmmm

   All American from Delta #16590 #16590  7/2/2012 1:21:30 PM
 I dont think the top 6 go to the Forrest Wood Cup out of the All American. Just the winners. The All American was held at the same time as a FLW Tour tournament so I think Kevin missed fishing that tour stop and fished the AA. FLW sould not hold the AA and a tour tournament at the same location and on the same weekend. The AA should be on a stage by it's self.

   To qualify for a championship/wild card event from 521vxnascar  7/2/2012 2:19:33 PM
 The tourney trail i fish here in NC would not allow the "pay up front and not show up and fish the qualifying tournaments". You have to show up at each tourney and put your boat in and wait untill after blast-off to take your boat out if you do not want to fish it. This puts some effort on the anglers to be there at every tourney. I agree with 520vx 100%. But as mentioned above, it is all about the money. Only in this great country of ours (USA) can crap happen and those involed not even get slapped on the wrist. The cheating and all else that goes with is is pitiful and has stained every organization who has fell in that septic tank of scum. But, as long as we support these fraud promoting groups they will continue to flourish. There shuld be a Hall of Shame for every sport but i do not know if there is enough land avaiable the build enough buildings to hold them all.

   pro vs weekener from Ranger520vx #10211 #10211  7/2/2012 6:53:51 PM
 SMS you are right about the pros against the top local anglers that are good on their lake. The Wild Card is made up of guys that didn't even finish in the top 40 of their division. They are not the best local anglers. They are not the cream of the crop. I don't think Snider knew which lake would be drawn. I just think he realized he could pay an entry fee, and take a chance on which lake was drawn. He got lucky and got a lake he is good on. I still think he would have finished high on any lake against that field of left overs. Don't get me wrong. There are probably some really good anglers in the Wild Card, but then again they didn't get to fish their own regional. So I think they would have a hard time against a pro. That's is why I don't think it is right.

   Not Right from JimR #10692 #10692  7/2/2012 9:59:57 PM
 So I guess it would be OK for Tiger Wood to go play golf in a nation wide event if he didn't have anything better to do. I think the point is you should compete against your own level of competition.

   Well from Brett M  7/3/2012 7:00:09 AM
 Have to go by way of the "Trap"-- "If you want limited competition, stick to Club Tourneys". The BFL and above is not your local bass club. The BFL is not a professional level, but there are professional level anglers in it. For some its "thier" pro league.

The real advantage a Pro has over a good field of locals in this level of event is Self Created by his competition--- There belief that he has a magic wand-- There already beat mentally. Do your homework and you will find that just because a couple of "names" show up the winning weights will not. Pros are great fisherman no doubt but fish dont just jump in the boat and if a lake normally gives up 17 lbs to win, thats what it will take regardless of who catches it.

This issue is kind of like the "guide rule" that some local trails think they need to get a good field. Its based around the false belief that guides are on the water EVERY DAY. "I won't have a chance!" Its a competition, the guys that are mentally prepared and have done there homework will be at the top-- it is this way in ALL SPORTS. Come one come all.



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