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from Wackoman  
7/25/2012 12:05:04 PM


 FLW forced to move college event 7/24/2012
According to a release issued by FLW today, the Mississippi River FLW College Fishing tournament originally scheduled for Saturday, July 28 at LaCrosse, Wis., has been moved and rescheduled for the following weekend.

The event will take place on Sunday, Aug. 5 at Rend Lake in Whittington, Ill. The move was necessitated because of “Coast Guard regulations restricting how volunteers can be reimbursed for their assistance,” according to the release.

FLW has requested clarification from the Coast Guard to avoid similar issues arising in the future.

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   Wacko, I don't what kind of compesation the FLW provides from Spinny  7/25/2012 12:35:04 PM
 to any volunteer boaters but if it's cash or gas money, or the like, and on navigable waters, under Coast Guard jurisdiction, that person must be a licenced captain.

Or something like that.

   typical bureacratic b.s. from Beartrap   7/25/2012 12:55:21 PM
 just another example of bureaucrats following the letter of the law instead of the intent and not enough sense to know the difference......

   Freakin Wisconsin, WTF is right!!!!!!! from 1sg  7/25/2012 12:58:34 PM
 ALL Tournament circuits should leave that place and never return!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   It's the same in Tennessee....any boat operator that from Bill Hunter  7/25/2012 1:34:00 PM
 takes money for driving his boat must have a U.S. Coast Guard Captains License....now that being said, I have never saw that enforced. I am a member of the U.S. Coast Guard Aux...and have heard of only one complaint ever being made and it was during a major tournament on Old Hickory but nothing ever came from it.

   I think camera boat drivers get 200 dollars a day. BR will know he does it a lot but I don't believe him to hold a captain's license. nm from Wackoman  7/25/2012 1:48:35 PM

   So does that mean from GMH #14251 #14251  7/25/2012 1:53:43 PM
 if you're fishing a tournament on navigable waters it's against the law for a co-angler to give his boater gas money unless he has a captain's license??? That's a crock!!

   That's a crock!! from Skipper  7/25/2012 2:06:10 PM
 Enough said.

We ought to schedule one and dare the government to start locking taxpaying citizens up for such bull.

   Careful Skip from DaveT  7/25/2012 2:12:59 PM
  Our Government is just dumb enough to try it.

   Ruling reversed from Buzz  7/25/2012 2:27:57 PM
 Just heard CG ruling reversed. Tournament coming back

Edited 7/25/2012 3:07:56 PM

   USCG must be on patrol. from TroyJ/Angling Alabama   7/25/2012 4:02:46 PM
 I have been called by a couple of guides here who have been contacted by the USCG. Apparently they are not blowing smoke this time. Word is they are demanding your USCG number and explaining that it will be a fine of up to 27k if they book a trip and you don't have it. Several guys I know now taking it seriously and signing up pronto for OUPV classes. But, having been licensed, I don't see that license policy as government over-reach. I've always believed that the training and the license are a good idea in that case.

Good to hear the WI ruling was reversed. I'll be Obama would love to tax any transfer of funds on the water if he could.

Best news is they won't have to fish Rend! We take our kids there every year. Great lodge, fun place for catfish and bream, maybe a few stripe but a pretty major challenge for bass. Shelbyville would be a lot better if they want to catch some fish.

   I have a hard time agreeing Troy from Skipper  7/25/2012 4:28:43 PM
 If we the taxpayers are funding a military unit (coast guard) and it's top priority is fussing over fresh water fishing guides or someone giving someone half the gas money as a tournament partner then I think the taxpayers ought to quit funding that branch of service. If they don't have anything more useful to deal with than that, they are an unnecessary taxpayer funded government expense.

   Last time i looked-there wasn't no coast line in Wisconsin from Beartrap   7/25/2012 4:52:39 PM
 agree with skip.....coast guard needs to go back and guard the coast line of the U.S.A...we got more than enough bureaucrats in the various water safety and DNR departments across the country......

   Troy, fishing has been good at Rend from RJR  7/25/2012 5:30:40 PM
 www.bwsta.com www.illiniteamtrail.com among others. Lots of fish being caught this year.

   Good point Skipper, and RJR from TroyJ/Angling Alabama   7/25/2012 5:41:35 PM
 Skipper, I really believe the training and the license are a good idea. I'm not too hip on the Feds regulating it. I've always believed that inland freshwater guide regulations should be a state issue.

RJR, that's really good news. I drove by Rend last week, looked like the water level was ok despite the dry spell. The last time I fished it for bass was about 4 years ago. (Summer) It was pretty tough. Hope it stays strong. I love going to their lodge. Really cool place to stay.

   Rend and Carlyle are both having great fishing from RJR  7/25/2012 6:42:44 PM
 high water the last few years produced excellent spawns. The benefits are being realized now.

   The Coast Guard is actually part of the Treasury Department from Hoot  7/25/2012 6:44:21 PM
 and not actually a branch of the U.S. Military but your service in the Coast Guard does count toward G.I. Benefits...

The Coast Guard does an excellent job on inland waterways and the Great Lakes in providing security and rescue...

However this isn't really one of their finer moments when you think of all the Tournaments on all the navigable waters in the US and on the US Border that have been held for the last 30 years without this issue ever surfacing....

If it's been rescinded then hopefully this won't be an issue in the future....

   Flw from BR400  7/25/2012 7:09:18 PM
 Pays $250 a day for college boat captains. Boaters cover gas and oil.

What a crock!

   Coast Guard is Military from BobR93  7/25/2012 10:28:36 PM
 Here is the federal law that defines the Coast Guard as part of the military/armed force: 10 U.S.C. § 101(a)(4) -- The term “armed forces” means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard.

There is a second federal law that reinforces the Coast Guard's status as a military branch and armed force: 14 U.S.C. § 1 -- The Coast Guard as established January 28, 1915, shall be a military service and a branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times. The Coast Guard shall be a service in the Department of Homeland Security . . . .

America has 7 uniformed services but only 5 are military. The 2 that aren't armed are the Public Health Service and National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). The have officers but no enlisted.

   strange comments above about what the USCG is and isnt... from RobShaw  7/26/2012 6:57:02 AM
 ALl I can add is that Ive worked with and around them for 30+ years and was always impressed.

   CG Is now part of Homeland Security from minner  7/26/2012 9:04:44 AM
 Sadly enough.

   Rob from Skipper  7/26/2012 9:26:20 AM
 I know the Coast Guard does a lot of good things and is useful in this country as is Kentucky's Vehicle Enforcement or Kentucky's State Police. That said, it hasn't been until recently that the Coast Guard has decided to "Crack Down" on bass fishermen and the Vehicle Enforcement has decided to "Crack Down on pickups hauling livestock trailers" and the KSP has decided to crack down on "Seat belts."

One of the many things I didn't care for about George Bush was creating the Department of Homeland Insecurity. It pumped billions of dollars into these agencies, created crimes out of things that weren't at all problems on anyone's radar, and it funded the hiring of excess people with little to do other than create issues where none existed.

I think if you polled 1000 bass fishermen and asked the question "Do we need the Coast Guard regulating how the expenses of a fishing trip are shared between 2 guys in a bass boat?" The answer would be hell no.

If you asked a 1000 motorists, "Do we need a Primary Offense Seat Belt Law?" The answer is we have problems with thieves, murderers, drugs, and everything else. Wearing or not wearing a seatbelt. Who gives a sheite?

Do you have to have a CDL to operate a farm tractor. Really? Since when has that been something anyone knew anything about at all nor cared.

We've got 30 million illegal aliens in this country. Can't the Coast Guard spend more time keeping them from crossing the Rio Grande and less time wondering about Jim Bob and Bubba's gas bill?

   Skipper, I dont care to get into an argument with you over this from RobShaw  7/26/2012 11:57:09 AM
 as clearly our oppinions of the success of Homeland Defense differs greatly.

I don't know the particulars of this incident other than what's readily available on the internet and it certainly appears to be quite strange...but there's usually more to the story.

The USCG, as with all other branches take their orders from commissioned officer's, who take their orders from civilians.

   Good point Rob.... from ButchT  7/26/2012 5:25:19 PM
 And would those "civilians" be "politicians"...?

   UnLicensed Guides from Mike Whitten  7/26/2012 10:00:13 PM
I agree with you on the licenses. If you, Jimmy Mason, Roger Stegall and a bunch of others have gone through the effort, expense and time to comply with Federal law, then I don't have much use for the wannabees who want to cut corners and take money away from guys who are legal and insured. To my way of thinking advertising a guide service on navigable waterways without a 6 pack license is fraud.

I'm a CPA, and my profession takes a VERY dim view of folks who hold forth in this profession without properly earned credentials. And, I"m glad they do. Fishing guides on navigable waters are no different. The rule is the same for all.

Driving a boat in a college or high school tournament is a different deal. You are NOT a guide in that situation, and the rules should not apply.



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