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SUBJECT: # 12027: This ones for Steve P.

Submitted by Roby (70.248.236.45) from TEXAS on 6/24/2006 9:41:00 AM

Looks like Toyota is finally getting there.

Not surprisingly, the 2007 Tundra will grow in size and power. It is aimed at hard-core pickup users, and will be able to compete with the big American rigs by towing over 10,000 pounds with a 5.7 liter i-Force V8 engine made in Alabama by Toyota, coupled to a heavy duty six-speed automatic transmission. The Tundra will come with heavy-duty front disc brakes with four-piston calipers and vented rotors increased by nearly one and one-half inches, and standard rear disc brakes. High capacity cooling and electrical systems will help Tundra tow heavy loads through the toughest weather. Finally, Tundra will ride on a chassis with 30 percent higher tensile strength steel.

Development of the new Tundra was spearheaded by Toyota's U.S.-based facilities. Product planning began at TMS headquarters in Southern California. All engineering development was directed by the Toyota Technical Center in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Styling, inside and out, was the work of Toyota's Calty Research and Design Centers in Newport Beach, California and Ann Arbor, Michigan. Finally, the new Tundra will be built at Toyota Motor Manufacturing in Princeton, Indiana and Toyota's new truck plant in San Antonio, Texas.

Tundra�s new full-size platform has a much longer wheelbase and an increase of 10 inches in overall length, along with five inches of height and four inches of width. Three engines are available, the aforementioned 5.7 liter V8 (the same size as the Dodge Hemi), a 4-liter V6, and the current 4.7 liter i-Force V8. The V8s are both made in Alabama.

Styling is designed to be bolder and more distinctive. Inside, a "command and control" center provides an unobstructed view of the instrument panel and puts knobs, switches and buttons within close reach of the driver. The interior has four inches more shoulder and hip room up front, with more storage compartments, second row seats (in two-row models) that double as work surfaces, and a larger center console.

The Tundra will include the standard Toyota triple grades of Base, SR5, and Limited, but will have over 30 different models altogether.

The Tundra features a tailgate that can be opened and closed with just two fingers. Robust dampers on the hinges have been added to help cushion the tailgate when opening and also help reduce bouncing when driving with the tailgate down. Other design features with workers in mind include large door handles, inside and out, easy-to-turn HVAC knobs, and adjustable headrests, allowing drivers and passengers to ride to their next work site without having to remove protective gear such as hardhats or gloves. Extra large side mirrors provide a wide field of view, while reducing wind noise and image vibration. A hitch is integrated into the frame for better stability when handling heavy loads.

The Tundra is loaded with standard features and an array of options and accessories, such as a JBL premium audio system with Bluetooth telephone compatibility, 10-way power-adjustable driver's seat, and a wide-screen backup camera integrated into the tailgate handle for enhanced rear-view safety.

Capacities for the 2007 Toyota Tundra pickup
Spec 2007 Toyota Tundra
Wheelbase 145.7
Length 228.7
Width 80
Height 76.4
Bed Length 78.7
Bed Width 50 min, 65 max
Bed depth 22.3

6/24/2006 3:33:00 PM Submitted by Shelby (65.0.250.56) from SC says my opinion
that tow rating is absurd!
it will still be a piece of japan garbage when compared to a diesel f250 or even a gas 5.4 f250 which can only tow 8800 lbs. The 8800 number f250 will still be TWICE the truck as the rice burner.
japan facts are very focked up, I just want to see a turd towing 10,000 poiunds. I bet you have no control whatsoever and the thing would crap out in less than 6 months towing such heavy loads. I believe they are producing opium at Toyota now or else they hired a bunch of crackheads. 10,000 pounds is absolutely rediculous and I'd have to say they must be on some serious drugs to get those kinda numbers, wait till the midget people try it, I bet they have not even tested such high numbers with that truck.
(I just call it the way it is in reality)
6/24/2006 3:39:00 PM Submitted by Fujitsu (24.99.1.35) from Japan says Hmmmm.....
Doesn't sound like "Jap Crap" to me ! Course we will still hear from the guys whose grandpappy fought in the war gainst them dang Japoneeeese people and he would turn over in his grave iffin a family member ever bought a Japoneeeese truck....
;)
6/24/2006 3:42:00 PM Submitted by Shelby (65.0.250.56) from SC says american vs Japanese
what the He!!
5.7 liter, thats the same as a GM 350 isn't it?
Nissan copies GM's 350 engine and now Toyota makes one as well. See STEVE, even Toyota knows they have to copy a real american engine to get a good powerplant. Japanese and their engineering......or should I say lack of!
6/24/2006 6:29:00 PM Submitted by JohnM from KY says Shelby you kill me sometimes LOL
How long did the Japanese engines run overhead cams before your beloved Ford started producing them? Or did Ford copy them? We have nobody to blame but ourselves since American manufactures sent Demming packing to Japan with his ideas that have now developed into the world standard for quality manufacturing. If Ford would have stuck to it's roots the way Henry Ford started the company they may not be in the economic situation they are in right now. How is a company supposed to be profitable when they pay their employees to take off three weeks in July? Ford just announced the Louisville plant is closing an extra week in July due to the lack of explorer sales. During that extra time Ford is going to pay the employees a stipend AND from what I understand they can all apply for unemployment during that week as well, but that's off this subject. I also will have to see it pull 10K pounds to believe it, but my little 4-Runner now has 62,000 trouble free miles and I pulled our 29 foot Jayco (8,000 pounds) for about a year and a half with it. The last Ford I had was a 5.0 liter, back then I had a 24 foot trailer and it STAYED in the shop for the entire 60,000 miles I owned it. IMHO the world market is good for competition, it makes everyone perform better.
6/24/2006 9:21:00 PM Submitted by Daniel (70.126.122.118) from FL says Tow ratings.
Just because a truck is rated at a certain tow rating doesn't mean they will tow it efficiently. Some trucks can tow rated weight and then some, and some trucks are lucky to tow ratd weight. I would like to see that jap terd tow 10k.
6/24/2006 9:30:00 PM Submitted by Steve P. from FL says Thanks for thinking of me, Roby.LOL
Engineered in the USA?? See, we can build quality stuff if we WANT to. Big Three suits just don't want to. I wonder if those Yoter engineers are American? I hope so.........
It's not the guys who put them together. It's the suits who determine the quality level.
Big Three suit talking to a parts supplier or design engineer................."make it JUST good enough to make it through the warranty period. After that, SCREW EM!!!hehehehe(evil laugh)"
A message from Steve P. to all of the Big Three suits.............."no Mr. suit, SCREW YOU!!!!! You'll never have the chance to screw ME again."
And some of you guys care about "where the money ends up"??????????? Again, SCREW the greedy bastages!!!!
Steve P.........I feel better now(I think?)
:-)
6/24/2006 9:42:00 PM Submitted by Steve P. from FL says Here's an example..............
You guys hear me talk all the time about all of the front end parts I replace on American vehicles. I'd love for one(or many) of you guys to intelligently answer this question, not some retarded crap like "I'd like to see that Jap terd tow 10K". That's desperation, as he realizes that it's all slipping away. It's also funny when a guy can't even properly spell the word, TURD.LOL
Here's the question......Why do the MOOG front end parts NOT wear out like the originals?? Anybody that can answer that, gets a chocolate chip cookie straight out of the oven.
Hint:The answer is in my first post...........
Steve P. Toyota bouts ready to stomp a mudhole in you know where....................get ready boys!!!!!!
6/24/2006 10:06:00 PM Submitted by no camry f u (152.163.100.134) from KY says wake up and smell the sushi
It's not the guys who put them together. It's the suits who determine the quality level. DUDE...YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I worked at the Toyota plant in Georgetown Ky for six years.....you cant lay that crap on me....I have seen first hand all the little gags and tricks the guys do to these cars as they come down the line....I have seen the early Monday mornings and the late Friday evenings...if you really beleive what you wrote then you are dumber than I thought!!!!
6/24/2006 10:23:00 PM Submitted by Daniel (70.126.122.118) from FL says Fuel economy.
Stevie girl what does toyo have in a surburban that gets 22 mpg on highway? Oh yeah nothing. There way behind. Sounds like they have some engineering to do.
6/24/2006 11:09:00 PM Submitted by Steve P. from FL says Danny.
I still don't see how this is related to QUALITY? You know??How many times ya gotta take it to the shop for repairs? You're grasping at anything you can at this point, aren't you?
Take the money you save on gas, and put it under your mattress. You'll need it later on for repairs.
Steve P.......would rather spend a little more on gas, and a lot less on repairs!!!!
6/25/2006 12:06:00 AM Submitted by BASSMAN IA. from IA says Answer
Steve the answer is easy. They take a bid on the parts and low balling wins out.
One thing is funny tho. A few months back I got in to a discussion with an okie about the same thing you just said.----------- It isn't the workers on the line --it is the suits, engineers--- he called me everything but white, also called my wife a dumb bitc#. Funny you could see this and someone that argued to his last breath couldn't. He could not get it through his head that cars come down the line and each person does a job.
I used to work in a GM dealership ( before most of you went to prom with your dad and home with your mom )I never seen the can tied to the string behind the back seat, or the bottle in the doors. Ever seen the inspection stickers on doors windows, hoods, trunks, engines, trannys ect ect ect???????? Ever wonder why they are there?? That is so some clown doesn't do something stupid. A line workers job sucks, same thing day in day out, and if productions up-- the suits speed the line up. Even tho they make good money there might ( and even tho it is doubtful ) I will still use the word might be a clown trying to be stupid. That is why that sticker is on parts of the cars. If you are making a good wage just inspecting things , do you think you are going to place that sticker on a door after Brain Dead Billy put a can inside the door before the panel is installed, with your number and shift ?? Only if your as stupid as Billy.
Steve's comment reminds me of another thing, He talks about quality of the parts---------- Well try and convince people that two items that look alike, are the same brand, but one is sold at a national discount chain and the other in a local store are different. Won't happen. You will never convince folks one is much cheaper because corners have been cut, that supplier is running a line just for that one large chain because they buy in a quanity that is higher then all others put together.
Steve, keep your cookie for the correct answer--- I'm trying to get down to your weight.
6/25/2006 5:29:00 AM Submitted by Ron Rook Sr. (24.152.220.37) from PA says JohnM
Shelby can't see the forrest for the trees....
Toyota is just about to overtake GM in sales (dollar volume) but they also make over 1 million fewer cars with a much, much better profit margin.
He will never change his way of thinking regardless if those very Toyota's were all made in this country by American workers.
It was OK for us to have plants overseas all these years to make our products but not OK with him to have them do likewise over here...
I guess to be able to understand his way of thinking, all the Toyota's should be made overseas and none in this country. That would fit his "mold of things happening in the auto world" much better.
He needs to watch AUTOLINE DETROIT on cable TV to get his "facts" straight.
6/25/2006 2:12:00 PM Submitted by Shelby (65.0.250.56) from SC says JohnM, you kill me lol
A Jayco popup camper weighining 8000 pounds? lol, come on. That little 800lbs popup may have felt like it weighed 8000lbs behind that little tiyota but in reality it wasn't much at all. (you crack me up)
you musta gave toyota the towing numbers they pulled pt of there azz. You and your japanese friends need to lay off the opium! you can't add or even count for that matter. Dadgum kentuckian trying to confuse us all with numbers. lmao
the only thing toyota has.....is a congame, they are simply getting you idiots to pay twice as much as there crap is worth.
6/25/2006 5:31:00 PM Submitted by JohnM from KY says I wish it were worth half as much as I think
That way the state of KY would cut me some slack on the taxes I have to pay based on value each year. Jayco 29N is not a popup. You must have spent to much time in the low country sun, or maybe one of those mosquitos the size of a small bird bit you LOL. Your happy with your Ford, they bought one back under the lemon law from me in Raleigh NC and I kept one from 60K miserable miles due to be so upside down on it for 5 years. I am happy with my Yoter. Life goes on.
6/25/2006 10:15:00 PM Submitted by jimmy (24.94.111.31) from FL says been to the toyota dealer lately?
the shop is full of toyotas being repaired, but at least it's under warranty at this point. when that turd is out of warranty the parts will cost you at least twice as much as comparable parts for an american vehicle. also, i remeber a bumper sticker i saw that read: hungry?, out of work?, eat your import! btw: darrell waltrip says they are great but he gets paid to say that and by the looks of his wife his judgement is questionable anyway. oh well i guess some people just have a taste for crap!!!!!
6/25/2006 10:47:00 PM Submitted by JohnM from KY says Yeah the BMW dealership
had some cars being repaired last time I took the Mini in to buy some touch up paint as well. I bet the Mercedes shop has a repair center, matter of fact every car dealer I've been to has a repair shop full of vehicles. Lucky for me the only ones I've ever had to take one into is a Ford and Chevy dealership. I bought a used Avalanche last year and spent about a grand in it in the year I had it. My Uncle has a Expedition amongst many other vehicles, last time I drove it the door handle fell off when I shut the door. Ford fixed it no problems, quality stuff!
6/25/2006 11:23:00 PM Submitted by Steve P. from FL says Hehehehehehehe!!!!
We're like a bunch of women!!!!LOL
6/26/2006 7:49:00 AM Submitted by Roby (70.248.236.45) from TX says tow rating
A 2004 and later F150 with a 5.4 and proper gearing is rated to tow 9500 lbs so I don't think 10,000 ponds is unrealistic for a 5.7 if it has some torque.
You guys are to easy. I wish I got this many bites when I went fishing Saturday!
6/26/2006 8:13:00 AM Submitted by beartrap from GA says Yamaha/GM/OMC
look at what Yamaha did with the OMC designed engines....took the basic design(some say they copied it) of OMC engines and instead of trying to make them as cheap as they could,they made them as good as they could.....where is OMC now?
the 350 engine is arguably the best engine ever designed for a pickup truck and for towing bass boats.......if Toyota makes this engine as bulletproof as they do the rest of their product line-that engine is gonna sell a lot of trucks for them.......
6/26/2006 8:33:00 AM Submitted by fastcast (64.24.209.248) from OH says Bullet Proof
Hey bear, those old OMC engines were some of the best outboards ever built. Yamaha did copy them and as a matter of fact when their big wigs came here to research they were quoted as saying " they were absolutely astounded by the longevity" they couldn't believe some of these American made outboards were in service for 30 plus years. We can't help what ignorant, bean counting investors do when they purchase great American companies and ruin them. I still see a ton of 30 year old Evinrude and Johnsons pushing boats around the local lakes!
The GM 350 is about as bullet proof as they come and anyone who wants to argue that point is just looking to cause trouble, (hint, hint, Steve Pee) period.
6/26/2006 2:31:00 PM Submitted by Toonafish from GA says Steve P would never try and cause trouble!!!
n/m
6/26/2006 6:25:00 PM Submitted by JohnM from KY says Hey Ron don't ya just know
Good old Shelby was just having fits when Ford dropped a YAMAHA engine their SVO Taurus a few years ago. Since they bought Jaguar they have stole several platform ideas for their cars (smartly so I maight add). That should stir it for a while longer LOL.
6/26/2006 11:12:00 PM Submitted by Shelby (65.0.250.56) from SC says not me john
ain't but 1 car in the ford line worth owning and thats a crown vic. Funny how it and the stang are the only 2 they can sell a lot of and both are back wheel drive. The rest is JUNK. I haven't liked the stang since they changed it in 1993 So to me only the crown vic is worth having. Fords engineers are destroying Ford, or whats left of it.
someday they'll realize people want back wheel drive cars with some power. Dodge has figured it out. Good car sales and poor truck sales. Imagine that coming from one of the big 3. Dodge has turned the corner, and the 07 challenger may sit in my driveway in the not so distant future.
6/26/2006 11:40:00 PM Submitted by Fish On (209.34.10.45) from TX says T100 Version 3
You know its hard not to think of the T100 when thinking about Toyota's full size trucks, but I should reserve any real comments about the new Tundra until I can really take a good look at one. Cosmetically I'm not sure it looks appealing, but most new designs take some time to grow on you. I can comment that I see a very small rear end from the pictures and I have to wonder is this the same ole small rear end of the T100/Tundra? I also see that Toyota didn't place a real front chrome bumper on the front and chose to place a vinal facia for looks which I would've liked to see a real bumper. However I really can't comment much more until I can kick the tire and see how this truck is truly built.
And about towing capacity, I would'nt get too caught up in the tow ratings game just because a vechicle is rated to tow a specific rating. This doesn't mean it can tow its max rating with ease and this goes for all the manufaturers. Actually I always thought Ford stretched their tow ratings and my 98' F150 was proof of that.
I think its fair to say that this new truck is probably a step above the current Tundra and it should be, it's Version 3 and Toyota's barely been building full size trucks for ~10 years.
I would also like to see some fuel economy numbers for this truck. With fuel prices threatening to continue rising, the truck that offers the best fuel economy with the best performance will likely take the prize.
6/27/2006 7:51:00 AM Submitted by Bobs203 (199.62.0.252) from IL says GM Woes
I think we have to be accurate on why GM is in the financial trouble they are in. Is it their product quality? Actually very little is product related. It is the bozos who agreed to these obsurd UAW contracts over the last 50 years. Free medical insurance for the rest of your life........come on, no company can afford that. What are the numbers....$1500 -$1800 per vehicle for health benefits? Right there is pure company profit going out the door with each vehicle. Toyota is not faced with this.....better manangement decisions on there part. IMHO, a car company cannot have hourly workers building the cars making $100K/yr and free health benefits and remain competitive. The point of my rambling here is quit tying product quality to GM's troubles.......that is not the reason.
P.S. I have owned several new GM vehicles and have been very happy with them
6/27/2006 9:10:00 AM Submitted by Steve P. from FL says Fish On, I'm proud of you.
That was the most reasonable/intelligent/legitimate post you've ever made. Good job.
6/27/2006 5:24:00 PM Submitted by Shelby (65.0.250.56) from SC says Bob
you have very little knowledge of GM. They are forcasting profitablity. There isn't much about GM I couldn't tell ya. GM IS IN GREAT SHAPE FINANCIALLY you can take that to the bank.
Ford is the company thats in bad shape and getting much worse.
6/27/2006 5:26:00 PM Submitted by Jmac (155.84.101.2) from AR says Ah, the classic T100, thanks Fish On.......................
I know this is a tough one for Steve P to swallow. I bet there are just as many Pintos and Chevettes as there are T100's still on the road. Every time I almost forget about them I will pass by one in my F150, as the poor little T100 limps down the road with its little go-cart tires and usually warped frame, just trying to achieve the minimum speed limit. A little tear almost wells up in the corner of my eye as I think about the poor owner who spent thousands of dollars of his or her hard earned money on the premise that since Toyota built it, it must be better than any other truck on the road. But then I think, hey, that owner had plenty of other choices at the time and a simple test drive would have helped him or her make a better decision. As the Miller Lite commercial would say, "here's to you poor little foreign made underachieving truck".
6/27/2006 9:03:00 PM Submitted by fishmagnet (71.96.147.11) from TX says "Poor little T-100"........
Tell that to my brother who has 237,000 miles on his "poor little T-100"!
Handy Man Svc's out of Tampa, FL.
Not a single regret, I can assure you!
6/28/2006 11:52:00 PM Submitted by mac (70.105.145.159) from WV says american made
Statistics will show that more parts are made and assembled by toyota in the U>S than any of the big three. I drive GM (five of them) and a Mercedes. But toyota is more made american than any of them.
6/29/2006 7:12:00 AM Submitted by Chevymon (198.97.67.59) from OH says Yeah...
Frickin' SAD ain't it!
6/29/2006 10:03:00 PM Submitted by Steve P. from FL says Chevymon and the boys.............
If what Mac says is true, why do you feel such intense loyalty to the Big Three? Why not buy the product that is going to give you the least headaches? I understand ANY company can produce a lemon, but even the Big 3 backers have to face the reality that as a whole, the Yoter will be more trouble free, not perfect, but more trouble free.
I understand that your defense is the POWER thing and yes, I do realize that if I want to haul a bulldozer on a triple trailer, I will need to purchase a Big 3 1 ton truck. That doesn't apply to me though. I am hauling a 19 ft Basscat and that's it.
6/29/2006 11:51:00 PM Submitted by BASSMAN IA. from IA says Bob203
Stay out of the sun, lay off the hooch and educate yourself. Recently guys were whinning cause the GM worker was making 64K a year, now you have it up to 100k.You would be surprised at the companies that offer free med insurance the rest of your life. I'll start it off for you------------------- US servicemen that retire from the service,------------ and you pay for that.
Don't forget our congressman, senators, presidents, and millions of others in the private sector.
Jump on the big road and take a trip around the country--- this isn't the 1920's with it's sweat shops.
6/30/2006 11:20:00 AM Submitted by Jb (139.68.134.1) from MA says Strange
It wont let me post what i want :( maybe it will after this...
6/30/2006 11:21:00 AM Submitted by Jb (139.68.134.1) from MA says Steve
I think is can answer your question.
It's all about choice, and what someone likes at least thats how i see it. It's the same thing as why some people choose to drink Budweiser over another brand like say Sam Adams that tastes so much better and wont give you the Bud blowouts the next day, its what they like. Its all good in my book...
I agree with you on Toyota's track record, its pretty darn good but like anything else i think its a crap shoot. There is no guarantee that it you buy a toyota it will be problem free or more problem free then anything else. My girlfriends last car was a fine example of that, her camry was the biggest peice of crap on wheels in the two years she owned it. It was in the shop constantly for warranty repairs and left her stranded a handfull of times. She bought it because of toyota's reliability track record after having a VW jetta that was plagued with gremlins only to have another car plagued with gremlins. She now drives a Chevy Monte Carlo SS that i got her with my supplier price, the only problem she has had in 8 months is a flat tire. Sure she just as easily could have gotten a Monte plagued with gremlins but she didnt, its been pretty good car for her and she is very pleased. She loved the car from the second she test drove it. I like it too because its really quick.
When i replaced my Dodge i shopped everything even Toyota. For me it came down to money, and two trucks that I can get at a huge price advantage( since i like to get into a new truck every 3-4 years price matters)the Nissan Titan and Chevy Silverado. I bought the Chevy because I liked it better overall. I loved the motor in the Titan but i liked the rest of the Chevy package better, seats, ride, how it drives etc.
6/30/2006 5:03:00 PM Submitted by JohM (71.28.234.179) from KY says Bassman I'm retired military, wheres my free medical?
I pay a fee quarterly for Tricare Prime. I also pay a fee everytime I see my doctor, I have to see my primary care doc everytime I want a referral then pay a copay at the referral doc. I have to pay a copay for my meds, I use a mail order service because it's cheaper than the VA which is a joke. The VA in Louisville doesn't carry ONE of the drugs I take on their formulary. I'm not complaining about it just stating the fact that my medical is NOT FREE! BTW I laid my life on the line for 20 years to earn this benefit, not putting on door panels going home everynight to my family making about 60K a year. I signed up for 4 years at a time, I could not quit my job during that 4 years no matter the conditions. MANY folks are serving against their will right now under the "stop gap" law. Your not comparing apples to apples. I'll not even go into the injustice of congress and senate benefits when they get done with their service. I suggest you find other COMPANIES to compare with not servicemen and women.
7/1/2006 10:19:00 PM Submitted by BASSMAN IA. from IA says free
Most people pay something, just like you do. I'm a Teamster, although we have great insurance compared to most plans------- we pay just like you do. Copay, so much of the drug bills, and are covered by certain hospitals.
John, I served also, but when my time was up---- I moved on. I'm not the type of guy that likes to have someone telling me what to do everyday. That's why I have the job I do----------- I'm the boss when I shut the door on that tractor.
We all make our own choices, I have friends that live quite comfortly, When he became ill I found out he didn't have medical insurance. He never wanted to spend money on something he " might" use. That was his choice in life---------- What I'm getting at John is--------- like the rest of us that took the insurance as part of a benifit package from an employer ( as the 20 years you served ) at least we both have some kind of insurance plan.
7/2/2006 11:13:00 PM Submitted by Shelby (65.0.236.248) from SC says JohnM
John, Your free medical is at the V.A. hospital nearest you. The same place mine is. The V.A hospital in Lexington is at U.K. medical center. I was born at U.K. and its the best Hospital in Kentucky hands down. You'll get whatever you need there and it'll be free.
I was hit by the 'stop loss' a few years ago, because of a critical carreer field shortage of people. I didn't gripe complain or anything. I was due to get out in december of 2001. Well 9-11 hit and I was immediately in a big sandy place way up into the spring time of 2002 and me with 75 days of leave on the books.
It sickens me to hear of soldiers being forced to due what they signed and committed to do. Soldiers who won't do there duty is a disgrace to me and all other veterans who willingly went abroad to protect this great nation. If a soldier is serving against his will though he signed into it, stop loss or not - he still should carry him or herself as an american soldier and just deal with it. Stop the panzy azz whining. Its those type soldiers this country is better off without. If a mans playing the role of a man, then by he!! be a man and quit the childish wha wha wha BS. Do your job. Wheres the core values? seems these whiners have no clue as to what those words actually mean now do they. I know the stereotype of these children/soldiers, they are the same ones I use to supervise and would halfazz do their job. Complaining and griping the whole time. If you did 20 years then surely to god you know the difference between a good troop and a bad one. Values actually mean something to some of us. I just wish YOU was one of them John. How dare you side with the complainers.
John, stop your beetchin! I been there and done that, ain't as bad as ya think. If the money was right I'd go as a govey contractor civilian in a heart beat.
7/3/2006 1:54:00 PM Submitted by Bill (68.208.139.253) from FL says Beauty
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So is the best truck.
7/6/2006 8:28:00 AM Submitted by JohnM from KY says Where in my post did I say anything about complaining?
I specifically said I was not complaining! I did say stop loss people were serving against their will. Does that mean all of them are complaining? Did you? You say no, and most I know that are serving are not. I missed it by a fraction, I missed early retirement all together due to being in a "critical career field" but I went on serving proudly. You don't know me, how dare you question my values? As a matter of fact I have invited you to meet me for a friendly day on the water almost everytime I come to the low country. Your right I have led many types of people, and folks like you who constantly stir up shixt are some of the worst. The response was to military retirees having FREE MEDICAL, BTW Lexington is about 2 hours from me. It's not free if it were in my back yard. The only FREE MEDICAL for a retiree is IF they can get into a active duty base hospital or clinic on a wait list basis. And since the military has been gutted of people it's a rare occasion to be seen as a retiree on a active duty base. At least it was at Ft Campbell when I lived in Nashville. Once again I am not griping in any way, just setting the facts straight that military retiree's don't get free medical for the rest of their lives like some people think. Have all the fun you want stirring the pot about Ford , Toyota, GM , boats etc etc, please leave the military out of the mix. I did my part @ only one being matters when it comes to judging my values (it's not you) I pray daily for all the men and women who are serving today, they will NOT get to see their family's tonight, the WILL not get to call home. People ARE trying to kill them today! The point of the post was that to compare thier benefits with a retired GM worker was not apples to apples. Oh yeah, and "If the money was right I'd go as a govey contractor civilian in a heart beat" while I was serving that was called a mercenary, not a soldier.
7/7/2006 11:09:00 PM Submitted by Shelby (65.0.248.87) from SC says John
sorry buddy, I have been a govey contractor since the day I got off of active duty.
If'n you make it back down to Santee, I promise you, you got a friend and a great day on the water if ya want it. I really ain't a deekhead by any means. truely sorry, but when I hear of complainers on stop loss and so forth it takes me back to when I was in and had to listen to all those folks just constantly complaining. 90% that complained didn't give a rats arse for anything, I mean worthless. I'm glad I'm out only because of the low quality of people they started letting in. Bring back the days of old when ya could take them out back. I didn't mean to take that out on you, it just really sets a fire under me knowing we have a military filled with a lot of garbage with no values period. Its changed a lot, I don't think you'd much like it these days.
Now, even the active duty have to call in, go to work, make an appointment for SICK CALL. So its just as bad for active duty in many cases as it is for you. If they go to a hospital instead, well, your not the only one paying out of pocket. yep thats right. Lord I hope they bring back champus, Tricare is hendering every active duty member one way or the other also, not just you retiree's.