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SUBJECT: # 8196: Gas VS. Diesel - Pros and Cons?

Submitted by GooseGunnerBravoTwoSix (204.65.99.1) from TEXAS on 10/8/2002 3:37:00 PM

I am buying a new truck next year but I don't know what to get. Boat will be 1600 lbs. Which of the Big Three FULL-SIZED trucks (not a Tundra) is the MOST DEPENDABLE? I have heard that diesel engines "don't wear out." I am MOST interested in RELIABILITY (i.e. not on recall lists, or in and out of the shop) and LONGEVITY. (My Nissan lasted 11 years before its first major "repair" - replace clutch) If the damn truck will last 10 - 15 years or 500,000 miles, I don't mind paying $40K +. I've had a Nissan for 11 years, so I don't know what to buy (American) and what to avoid. Let'er rip - Ford, Chevy, or Dodge? Gas or diesel? Why? Why not? Thanks.

PS - Truck has to be a 4X4.


  1. 10/8/2002 8:38:00 PM Submitted by Won Hunglo from TX says The gas vs. diesel choice is easy.
    If you are a poor boy go with a gas engine. It will serve you well for that light towing you plan to do. If you have the cash to flash and want the baddest truck around get a diesel 4x4 Crew Cab. You can use it to tow a full size trailer house after an East Texas divorce if you wanted to. Being from Texas you should know there are only two types of guys. Ones with a big diesel 4x4 and ones that want one.

    Ford, Chevy, or Dodge?...Well they all got there problems. It is like a new truck Lotto. Some good ones and some bad ones in every brand. Do you feel lucky????


  2. 10/8/2002 9:14:00 PM Submitted by John (208.63.163.111) from AL says Not a Tundra
    I have a 2000 Tundra Limited and love it. I pull a 21 Robalo and have no problems. As far as the relibility issue. No Problems. 65000 miles. I never had this with either the Ford or the Chevy products that I had before. At 60000 miles I would have spent about 4 or 5 trips to the dealer with a list of problems. Please do not discount the truck. I noticed from your list you currently have a Nissan. To answer your question the load you are pulling would do fine behind an s10 or ranger with at v6.


  3. 10/8/2002 10:12:00 PM Submitted by John (66.139.4.183) from TX says Nissin
    Heck just get you a supercharged nissian 4 door pu rated at like 5000 pound towing or at least close to it even get 4x4 and on the 5 days a week you will not be towing your boat save a little cash on gas useage ...you already know what nissian will give you a 3/4 ton 4x4 turbo diesal to pull a 1600 pound boat sorry but thats like killing flys with a shotgun ...John


  4. 10/8/2002 10:18:00 PM Submitted by Dr. Phyl from OTHER says I presently have
    a Dodge diesel (2001) that I bought new. My first diesel. I really like the performance, as Won said it will pull about anything (and at the speedlimit or better). For your present application it would be overkill. If you plan on hauling more, say a camper or a triple (fifth wheel+ boat) a diesel is probably what you want. The economy is pretty good. Great miles per gallon (25 mpg hywy empty and 19 in town)and D fuel is always cheaper where I live, sometimes 20 cents. I'm not chest pounding and saying it's better than Ford or Chev. They all have good points as well as bad points. I weighed them out for my application when I bought mine and went with Dodge.


  5. 10/9/2002 12:32:00 AM Submitted by larus (65.82.38.71) from GA says Some good things, some bad
    Diesels are beasts. They have fewer moving parts, fewer adjustments, and are the best lubricated engine made. You have a sump, oil pump, and the fuel is a lubricant.

    They are also more difficult to start in cold weather, generally have much higher compression (stress), are large for their displacement, and no one has ever built a really good small diesel engine that was reliable and cost effective. They tend to be big engines.

    They do wear out. But, not at the same fast rate as gasoline engines. Because of their expense, size, power, etc., they are almost always rebuilt when they wear out.

    I think we could get some great small diesels if people could get over their bias about sub 6 cylinder engines. I had a one cylinder diesel in a sail boat. It is probably the best engine I have ever owned. I would buy a truck with a 2 or 3 cylinder diesel.


  6. 10/9/2002 1:06:00 AM Submitted by Dr. Phyl from OTHER says larus, you touched
    on something that really worried me before I got the diesel. The hard starting in cold weather. But I have to say, I'm at 5300 ft. altitude and we have several days at a time below zero, yet in two winters this thing has been perfect. When it gets that cold I let it cycle twice through the warm up before I hit the starter and it starts just like a 70 degree day. Also, You do have to watch the grade of fuel. If you get the crummy stuff it can jell in the real cold days I guess. I don't worry about that because I don't use cheap fuel in anything. It isn't worth it in the long run in my opinion.


  7. 10/9/2002 8:45:00 AM Submitted by John (66.139.4.183) from TX says fuel cost
    i can fill my truck with reg unleaded for 1.25-1.40 a gal diesel is selling for 1.40-1.60 per gal and im here in texas .. John


  8. 10/9/2002 9:53:00 AM Submitted by Whitecap (4.63.96.74) from TX says Gas 'er diesel?
    Everybody's situation is different.

    If you're driving back and forth to work in the city 5-6 days a week and fishing once or twice every other week, a diesel would be a waste!

    A Ford, Chev, Toyota, or Dodge with a gas V-8 will perform just fine as a commuter / weekend warrior transporter.

    If you're hauling lawn equipment, bricks and a mixer, livestock to and from the market/auction, hay bales to the north forty, a 22 ft. center console down to the coast every single week, or fifth wheelin' a large trailer loaded down with any material, the diesel starts to make financial sense.

    IMHO


  9. 10/9/2002 10:18:00 AM Submitted by Thom (198.99.246.254) from WV says Hmmmmm
    You could almost pull a 1,600 pound load with a bicycle. That's your business though.

    I bought a 7.3 liter PowerStroke (F-250 Super Duty) about a month and a half ago. I drive it every day. I used to think that guys were just thumping their chests when they said "I'll never go back go a gasser". Now I understand.

    Over 20 miles per gallon, the ability to pull a house around the block, and no spark plugs. Life is good. Fuel cost here'bouts tend to mirror the pirce of regular gas, someplaces the diesel fuel is just a couple of cents less expensive. The worst I've seen was diesel prices equal to mid range unleaded.

    There are clearly downsides, you change oil by the gallons, not quarts and you will do it much more frequently. Cooling systems require attention unseen in gassers, there are filters on top of filters, and how many batterys do you usually expect to replace at a time?

    Thom


  10. 10/9/2002 2:47:00 PM Submitted by Roby from TX says Diesel vs Gas
    The Diesel will cost you more to buy, more to maintain and more to repair. The only thing that may cost less is fuel, (in fuel mileage) and you will most likely only realize that savings while towing. A properly maintained gasoline engine will last you 150,000 to 200,000 + miles and few of us keep them any longer than that. On the newer vehicles you only change plugs every 100,000 miles. The diesel will tow pretty much any thing you hook up to it. You can't say that for the gasoline engine. If you have something HEAVY to tow and do so frequently you need the diesel. But for 1,600 lbs it is a waste. The other down side to the diesel is noise, and that gets old in a hurry. Even the newer diesels are noisier than a gasoline engine. Diesels are dependable, but so are gasoline engines, and when one does breakdown you can expect to pay about 4 times more to repair the diesel than the gas engine.


  11. 10/9/2002 10:33:00 PM Submitted by Charlie Tuna (64.12.96.102) from CA says If you liked your old Nissan ...
    I hear that they will have a one ton pickup out in a year, able to tow almost 10,000.


  12. 10/15/2002 1:56:00 PM Submitted by Ken (208.61.71.30) from NC says I have both Diesel and Gas
    Buying a truck for most of us is not about buying what will do the job. It is about buying what we want to drive and what we can afford to pay for. I currently own an F250SD CCSB with the Power Stroke Diesel. I don't need that much truck but I love driving it and I am constantly adding toys to it (ie., guages, 4" Exhaust, new air intake, etc.). It is a beast and lets face it guys with women driving those 4 wheel drive SUVS we love our domain of the HD Trucks which the women don't care much for yet!!!

    Good Luck,

    Ken


  13. 11/7/2006 11:46:00 AM Submitted by sims (68.98.201.66) from KS says diesel vs gas
    what you guys problem is that ur using fords a dodge will out pull a ford any day gas or diesel. And the cummins is the most dependible diesel engine on the market


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