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    Do you realize????
from bobabooey #11773  
9/22/2009 2:47:57 PM

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 Next time you see a multi million dollar house realize that there is a good chance that that homeowner is a filthy lawyer that stole his money from a doctor or hospital. He took that money by legally black mailing a hospital or health insurance company.


Realize that there are hundreds or thousands of these scum bags in every city in the country.


Realize that they not only have a million dollar house, but they have a half million dollar beach house, a half million dollar mountain house. Several $80000 cars, a few boats, and every kind of toy imaginable.


Realize that your monthly insurance premiums are paying for every filthy lawyer commercial you see on television.


Realize that you bought all of this stuff for him. You suffered paying 20 times more than you should for your last hospital visit. You are losing sleep not knowing how you are going to pay your bills next month. You were ripped off so that this scum bag could buy all of these toys.
Think of John Edwards who built a ridiculously expensive house and got all of money from suing hospitals. He then took that money and ran for preident of the united states.


Realize that your doctor is paying hundreds of thousands of dollars each year for lawyer insurance and is passing the cost directly to you.


Realize that most of our politicians are vermin lawyers.


Realize that these lawyers are giving millions of these dollars to our politicians so that they will keep forcing you to buy all of this crap for them.


Realize that there are tens of thousands new lawyers graduating each year.
Realize they are all trying to get a piece of the pie (your health care premiums)


Realize that these filthy lawyers don't give a crap whether you live or die in the hospital. You are simply a tool for them to steal money.


Now you wonder why health care is so expensive?


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   realize your elected officials can put a stop to this if they wanted too from JR #11020  9/22/2009 4:03:11 PM
 n/m


   well DUH from MikeF  9/22/2009 4:10:45 PM
 That simple statement covers a lot of problems.


   I'm confused from Wannabe  9/22/2009 5:08:20 PM
 So this week it's Big Law? I thought this week was Big Ins, or maybe it was Big Oil. I completely missed the Big Retail week last month and I was on vacation when it was Big Pharma. I haven't seen Big Finance on the schedule yet, but I know it's coming. Never could keep straight whether Big Business was included in Big Finance or if Big Finance had it's own week.


I tell you what, ever since the Big 8 got cut down to the Big 4, this country has gone to hell in a handbasket.


I swear, somebody ought to post a schedule so I know who I'm supposed to be pissed off at......other than MikeF, I mean.


Wannabe...


   now the insurance companies have you blaming the lawyers?? from Brad  9/22/2009 5:18:40 PM
 http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/12/RI3M.html


bill mc guire of united health care made $297.21 mil
in total compensation over a 5 year period, but somehow it is the lawyers who are running up the cost of health care?? Who do you think paid mcguire all of that money???


You folks are absolutely amazing--you hear a sound-bite and you just take off running!


(no wonder we are at war)


Did you know that edwards defended a young girl who had her had part of her stomach sucked out by a faulty hot tub design.


Maybe you should try holding up the mc donalds hot coffee as another example of a frivolous lawsuit??


FORGET the 297 MILLION!!!!!!!!!!--don't look here ladies and gentlemen, it is the lawer that defends you AGAINST malpractice who is really ripping you off!


unbelievable....



   I've only been to CPA school one time Brad from Wannabe  9/22/2009 5:50:26 PM
 so, be sure and check my math..........let's see


1 x 297.21 million is 297.21 million


Divided by 5 years = 59.442 million per year.


Compared to 290.2 Billion for 2005, according to this article.


http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/how-much-are-frivolous-lawsuits-really-costing-you-95/


Somebody check me, but I think 290.2 Billion is more than 59.442 Million.


But I could be wrong.


Wannabe...


   Well there's your problem right there Wannabe... from Gridleak  9/22/2009 6:10:28 PM
 ...


You're usin' goesintas and multiplicators to reason with Brad. Heck he'll never get that. The best thing for you to do is just back off the numbers there mathboy and just do what everybody else does. Here let me show you how it's done...


Brad... you ignorant slut!


There. Now that's somethin' Brad understands.


Gridleak


   bobabooey from Rip #10422  9/22/2009 6:13:19 PM
 Good handle, as everything you posted came straight out of your azz. There are reams of data out there, from government agencies such as The Justice Dept, that proves everything you stated wrong. But it's much easier for a lazy man to repeat someone's BS than to spend the time researching the facts.


   there is just NO WAY I cannot from Ellie  9/22/2009 6:17:44 PM
 Love ya, MikeF and Grid!!!


ellie


   Rip theres your problem from DaveT  9/22/2009 6:50:49 PM
  You state there is tons of info out there from goverment agencies. Thats funny I don't care who you are. LOL


   and DaveT...all I can say if it is from a Govrment Agency... from Ellie  9/22/2009 7:32:16 PM
 it is most likely propoganda.... that's funny rite there! LOL
rite there with ya my friend! :)


L E


   Yep, I'm with you Ellie... from Gridleak  9/22/2009 7:34:55 PM
 ...


DaveT banged that one out of the ballpark, heh haha.


Gridleak


   bobaboo makes a good point..... from ButchT  9/22/2009 8:08:37 PM
  I've said for many years that the practice of law is the most self perpetuating profession there is, rivals prostitution.


It's really pretty simple. Lawyers make the laws. Ask yourself how many members of Congress and the Senate are lawyers. There lies the answer when Tort Reform continues to be ignored.


The mass advertising on TV, the Internet, Newspapers by these libel lawyers is sickening. And guess who "is" one among many..the infamous John Edwards.


The threat of a frivolous lawsuit from many directions is very real...especially if you are in private business, drive a car, drive a boat...hell, even breath.


And it's all lawyer perpetuated from the top down.

Edited 9/22/2009 8:11:54 PM

Edited 9/22/2009 8:12:26 PM


   The Three Idiotteers from Rip #10422  9/22/2009 10:05:40 PM
 HaHa Hee. If the three idiotteers, Dave, Ellie and Gridleaks in Pants are correct, and our government is that bad, then forget everything, we don't have a chance.


One of those Ellie Justice Dept propaganda facts. Tort settlements equal $3,240 per year per US citizen, with medical malpractice being one tenth of one percent of that amount, or about $3 per year. Hospitals alone, through neglect or errors, killed 98,000 people last year in US.


I sincerely hope a doctor or hospital does not maim or kill you or one of your family. But, if it happens, I will be curious as to your belief in tort reform then.



   Whew from BettyBoop  9/22/2009 10:45:19 PM
 
Glad I didn't weigh in on this one but I wouldn't have minded being lumped in the same great company as Dave, LE and Grid.


   Sounds like I;am in from DaveT  9/23/2009 6:43:02 AM
  Sounds like I'am in great company,thanks Rip.


   Boba. from Elroy  9/23/2009 7:41:57 AM
 does have a point. The parts about government mrssing up everything is not quite right. Being fishermen we need to remember that back in 1971 congress passed the clean water act and Nixon vetoed it. It was then passed over his veto. When Reagan was president it came up for extention, Reagan also vetoed it. Congress again overturned his veto. As alot of us older fisherpeople know we have a lot cleaner water now.


   Here you go Rip. from bobabooey #11773  9/23/2009 9:06:29 AM
 John Edwards: Edwards’ malpractice suits leave bitter taste
25th June 2007, 10:24 am
Edwards’ malpractice suits leave bitter taste
From Google cache. Original link here


By Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


The American Medical Association lists North Carolina’s current health care situation as a “crisis” and blames it on medical-malpractice lawsuits such as the ones that made Democratic vice-presidential candidate Sen. John Edwards a millionaire many times over.
One of the most successful personal-injury lawyers in North Carolina history, Mr. Edwards won dozens of lawsuits against doctors and hospitals across the state that he now represents in the Senate. He won more than 50 cases with verdicts or settlements of $1 million or more, according to North Carolina Lawyers Weekly, and 31 of those were medical-malpractice suits.


During his 20 years of suing doctors and hospitals, he pioneered the art of blaming psychiatrists for patients who commit suicide and blaming doctors for delivering babies with cerebral palsy, according to doctors, fellow lawyers and legal observers who followed Mr. Edwards’ career in North Carolina.
“The John Edwards we know crushed [obstetrics, gynecology] and neurosurgery in North Carolina,” said Dr. Craig VanDerVeer, a Charlotte neurosurgeon. “As a result, thousands of patients lost their health care.”
“And all of this for the little people?” he asked, a reference to Mr. Edwards’ argument that he represented regular people against mighty foes such as prosperous doctors and big insurance companies. “How many little people do you know who will supply you with $60 million in legal fees over a couple of years?”
Through a spokeswoman, Mr. Edwards declined to comment beyond e-mailing his and John Kerry’s “real plan for medical-malpractice reform.”
The plan calls for one measure that Mr. Edwards previously had said is meaningless and does not impose caps on verdicts for economic damages or limits on attorneys’ fees.
One of his most noted victories was a $23 million settlement he got from a 1995 case — his last before joining the Senate — in which he sued the doctor, gynecological clinic, anesthesiologist and hospital involved in the birth of Bailey Griffin, who had cerebral palsy and other medical problems.
Linking complications during childbirth to cerebral palsy became a specialty for Mr. Edwards. In the courtroom, he was known to dramatize the events at birth by speaking to jurors as if he were the unborn baby, begging for help, begging to be let out of the womb.
“He was very good at it,” said Dr. John Schmitt, an obstetrician and gynecologist who used to practice in Mr. Edwards’ hometown of Raleigh. “But the science behind a lot of his arguments was flawed.”
In 2003, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists published a joint study that cast serious doubt on whether events at childbirth cause cerebral palsy. The “vast majority” of cerebral palsy cases originate long before childbirth, according to the study.
“Now, he would have a much harder time proving a lot of his cases,” said Dr. Schmitt, who now practices at the University of Virginia Health System.
Another profitable area of litigation for Mr. Edwards was lawsuits against psychiatrists whose patients committed suicide.
In 1991, he won $2.2 million for the estate of a woman who hanged herself in a hospital after being removed from suicide watch. It was the first successful medical-malpractice case in Mr. Edwards’ home of Wake County.
During jury selection, Mr. Edwards asked potential jurors whether they could hold a doctor responsible for the suicide of their patients.
“I got a lot of speeches from potential jurors who said they did not understand how that doctor could be responsible,” Mr. Edwards recalled in an interview shortly after the trial. Those persons were excluded from the jury.
In the end, Mr. Edwards scored $1.5 million for “wrongful death” and $175,000 in “emotional distress” for the woman’s children.
“One thing I was grappling with was how to explain to the jury the difference between loss of companionship and society — the things under the wrongful-death statute — and emotional pain and suffering, which superficially sound like the same thing,” he said at the time. “What we did was to tell them the wrongful-death damages are for the loss of all the things that a mother does for the child. But the emotional pain and suffering damages represent the grieving. The pain is something you feel over the death of your mother.”
In 1995, as Mr. Edwards neared the pinnacle of his success, Lawyers Weekly reported on the state’s 50 biggest settlements of the year.
“Like last year, the medical malpractice category leads the new list, accounting for 16 cases — or 32 percent — three points better than last year,” the magazine reported. “By and large, that upward trend had held since 1992, when only four [medical malpractice] cases made the survey.”
Mr. Edwards was singled out.
“Another reason for this year’s [medical malpractice] jump was a strong showing by the Raleigh firm of Edwards & Kirby,” it reported. “Partner John Edwards was lead counsel in eight of the 16 medical malpractice cases in the top 50.”
Later in that article, Mr. Edwards was interviewed about the $5 million he won from doctors who delivered Ethan L. Bedrick, who had cerebral palsy. Mr. Edwards credited the jury focus groups that he routinely used to help prepare his arguments.
“They gave me several bits and pieces of information to use when addressing the jury,” Mr. Edwards was quoted saying. “You can use them to decide whether to get involved in a case or whether to accept a settlement offer, but our primary use is trial presentation.”
The article went on to observe: “Focus groups can be put together for as little as $300, according to Edwards — a small investment compared to the $5 million won in Bedrick.”
It is not clear just how much Mr. Edwards made as a lawyer, but estimates based on a review of his lawsuit settlements and Senate records place his fortune at about $38 million.
Like many Democrats, Mr. Edwards has benefited from the generosity of fellow trial lawyers, who have given millions of dollars to Mr. Edwards’ political campaigns and other political endeavors.
Part of the platform that Mr. Edwards is running on includes medical-malpractice reform. The Democrats’ plan would go after insurance companies that increase doctors’ premiums and ban lawyers and plaintiffs for 10 years if they file three frivolous lawsuits.
One tenet of their plan would “require that individuals making medical-malpractice claims first go before a qualified medical specialist to make sure a reasonable grievance exists.”
However, Mr. Edwards said in a 1995 interview that such pre-screening is unnecessary.
“Pre-screening as a concept is very good, but it’s already done by every experienced malpractice lawyer,” he told North Carolina Lawyers Weekly.
As a result of these and other cases, insurance rates for doctors have skyrocketed — putting some out of business and driving others away, especially from rural areas. And doctors who have lost cases to Mr. Edwards have been bankrupted.
Patients, meanwhile, are left with rising health care costs and fewer — if any — doctors in their area. It is increasingly a nationwide problem, physicians say.
Dr. VanDerVeer, the Charlotte neurosurgeon, recalled one recent night on duty when two patients arrived in an emergency room in Myrtle Beach, S.C., where the area’s last neurosurgeons quit earlier this year.
“No one in Myrtle Beach would accept responsibility for these patients,” he said. And because it was raining, the helicopters were grounded, so the patients were loaded into ambulances and driven the four hours to Charlotte.
Upon arrival, one patient had died, and the other learned that she merely had a minor concussion — and a $6,000 bill for the ambulance ride.
“That’s just one little slice of life here,” Dr. VanDerVeer said. “It’s a direct result of the medical-malpractice situation that John Edwards fomented.”
Dr. Schmitt had spent 20 years delivering babies in Raleigh. Though he had no claims against him, his insurance tripled in one year. With no assurances that his rates would ever drop, or just stop rising, he left town.
For Mr. Edwards’ part, he doesn’t necessarily begrudge the doctors he sues.
In the book he wrote while campaigning for president, “Four Trials,” Mr. Edwards referred to the doctors who he’d won millions from in two cases.
“In the E.G. Sawyer case and the Jennifer Campbell case, the defendants were not malevolent but were caring and competent doctors who worked in good hospitals and yet made grievous mistakes,” he wrote. “They had erred in their judgment, but no one could despise them.”
Doctors, however, take it all a bit more personally.
“We are currently being sued out of existence,” Dr. VanDerVeer said. “People have to choose whether they want these lawyers to make gazillions of dollars in pain and suffering awards or whether they want health care.”


   Here you go rip.. from bobabooey #11773  9/23/2009 9:12:37 AM
 Rip, I want to give you a multiple choice question to answer. When a doctor has to pay $277,000 in malpractice insurance where does he get the money? I will give you 2 choices.


A. He passes the cost on to his patients


or


B. He goes into his office and turns on his money printing press and prints $277,000 to give to the filthy scum sucking human garbage lawyers?


I will give you a hint. It is not B.


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UMHS study finds premium rates affect where ob/gyns choose to practice; could have major impact on urban areas



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ANN ARBOR, MI - The high cost of malpractice insurance for some medical specialties affects not only how many doctors are entering the field of obstetrics and gynecology, but also where they offer their widely needed obstetric, prenatal and gynecological care, according to new University of Michigan Health System research.


Their study, published in the June issue of the journal Obstetrics & Gynecology, gives a foreboding prognosis for the supply of doctors specializing in the field because of the rising costs of malpractice premiums.


“The high cost of malpractice premiums is beginning to lead providers to drop or reduce obstetrical services. Our study presented evidence that high malpractice premiums affect where new obstetricians are locating and it may affect the supply in the future,” says Scott B. Ransom, D.O., M.B.A., M.P.H., associate professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the U-M Medical School and of health management and policy at the U-M School of Public Health, and the senior author of the paper.


“Our study shows that there is legitimate reason for concern about patients' access to obstetric care and prenatal care in the future,” he says.


Some of the potential problem areas include states with the highest malpractice premiums, including Florida, Nevada, Michigan, New York , and the District of Columbia. Researchers also found signs for problematic future supply of obstetricians in several counties containing populous cities, such as Dade County, Fla., Wayne County, Mich., and Cook County, Ill., which all have high costs of malpractice insurance.


Ransom says he hopes that this study and others dealing with similar issues can inspire policy changes and tort reform that help reign in the cost of liability insurance for obstetrics/gynecology and other fields.


“Something has to be done about the skyrocketing cost of malpractice premiums in our field,” says Ransom, also the director of women's health and gynecology at the Ann Arbor VA Healthcare Center and director of the U-M Program for Healthcare Improvement and Leadership Development. “We are going to lose some of the best and brightest young doctors who otherwise might enter this field, and we are going to face shortages in many areas of the country if something isn't done.”


The researchers compared the rates of births per fellow and junior fellow members of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) in states that have the highest cost of malpractice insurance and states at the other end of the spectrum.


They found that the rate of increase in births-per-junior fellow in the 10 highest-premium states was far greater (a median of 28.5 percent) than the rate of increase in the 10 lowest-premium states (a median of 5 percent) from 1995 to 2002. That indicates that the supply of obstetricians is not keeping up with the need for doctors in this specialty in the highest-premium states, says lead author Pamela Robinson, M.B.A., a student at the U-M Medical School.


The researchers also found that in general, most counties in the United States experienced decreases in the number of births per ob/gyn, indicating an improvement in the supply of doctors in the field. But they also found that the six highest-premium counties had a slightly lower rate of decrease in births per ob-gyn than the other counties in the nation. While not statistically significant, this result could hint at a worse situation in meeting the ob/gyn needs in these areas.


Malpractice insurance premiums vary widely from state to state. Florida is the highest-premium state, with an average 2004 premium of more than $195,000, followed by Nevada, Michigan, the District of Columbia, Ohio, Massachusetts, West Virginia, Connecticut, Illinois and New York.


The 10 lowest-premium states are Oklahoma, at about $17,000 on average, and Nebraska, South Dakota, Minnesota, Indiana, Idaho, North Dakota, Wisconsin, Arkansas and South Carolina.


Many areas of the country, especially around major metropolitan areas, are experiencing large increases in the average costs of premiums. Between 2003 and 2004, Dade County in Florida, which includes the city of Miami, went from $249,000 to $277,000, an increase of about 11 percent.


In that same period, Cook County in Illinois, which includes Chicago , jumped about 67 percent from $138,000 to more than $230,000. Wayne County in Michigan , which includes Detroit, went up 18 percent, from almost $164,000 to nearly $194,000.


The issue of how rising malpractice rates are impacting the obstetrics and gynecology profession has been a topic of national concern in recent years. It has received widespread attention both in the media and in the discussions and writings of health care professionals.


The reasons for the rising costs in this specialty are myriad, but Ransom notes that a partial explanation is that “everybody wants and expects a perfect baby,” leading many people to sue when the reality doesn't match their expectation.


Another facet of the discussion relates to patient safety. This was the subject of an editorial in Obstetrics & Gynecology in May, written by Mark D. Pearlman, M.D., professor and vice chair in the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology and professor of surgery at the U-M Medical School; and Paul A. Gluck, M.D., of the University of Miami School of Medicine.


Pearlman and Gluck wrote about the threat to the supply of ob/gyns, and said that doctors in the specialty should focus on increasing patient safety.


”As a specialty, we are threatened. Rising malpractice premiums, lower job satisfaction, intrusion of policy makers and insurance companies demanding better service and access while providing fewer resources, and decreased interest in obstetrics and gynecology among senior medical students pose formidable challenges,” Pearlman and Gluck wrote.


“Our specialty should position itself among the leaders of the patient safety movement. Engaging ourselves fully in this effort is not only our moral imperative, it will bring us back to what motivated us to go into obstetrics and gynecology—to help women get well and stay well.”


On the June research paper, other authors in addition to Robinson and Ransom were Xiao Xu, Ph.D., a research associate in the U-M Medical School's Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology; Kristie Keeton, M.D., M.P.H., a lecturer in the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology; Dee Fenner, M.D., associate professor in the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology and director of gynecology; and Timothy R.B. Johnson, M.D., chair of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, professor of women's studies, Arthur F. Thurnau Professor, and Bates Professor of the Diseases of Women and Children.


Funding for the research was provided in part by the U-M Medical School Summer Biomedical Research Program and the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology.




   The house that John Edwards built by saying doctors were CPalsy in babies from bobabooey #11773  9/23/2009 9:20:48 AM
 I will give you the scenario rip.


A baby is born with cerebral palsy. The parents are heart broken. Filthy human garbage lawyer sees this as an opportunity to buy a fancy car or build a huge house. Lawyer goes and meets with heart broken parents and tells them that it was the doctors fault and he should pay. (there still has been no medical evidence of any of these babies health problems being caused by the doctor BUT THAT DOES NOT MATTER TO THE FILTHY LAWYER ALL HE HAS TO DO IS CONVINCE THE JURY)


Lawyer gets billions of dollars, bankrupts doctors, drives doctors out of state, drives up cost of health care for every single person in the state.


Lawyer builds 30,000 square foot house and is nominated to run for president by the democrat party.


RALEIGH — Presidential candidate John Edwards and his family recently moved into what county tax officials say is the most valuable home in Orange County. The house, which includes a recreational building attached to the main living quarters, also is probably the largest in the county.


“The Edwardses’ residential property will likely have the highest tax value in the county,” Orange County Tax Assessor John Smith told Carolina Journal. He estimated that the tax value will exceed $6 million when the facility is completed.


The rambling structure sits in the middle of a 102-acre estate on Old Greensboro Road west of Chapel Hill. The heavily wooded site and winding driveway ensure that the home is not visible from the road. “No Trespassing” signs discourage passersby from venturing past the gate.


Don Knight, Orange County building plans examiner, told CJ that, including the recreational building, the Edwardses’ home would be one of the largest in Orange County.


Knight approved the building plans that showed the Edwards home totaling 28,200 square feet of connected space. The main house is 10,400 square feet and has two garages. The recreation building, a red, barn-like building containing 15,600 square feet, is connected to the house by a closed-in and roofed structure of varying widths and elevations that totals 2,200 square feet.


The main house is all on one level except for a 600-square-foot bedroom and bath area above the guest garage.


The recreation building contains a basketball court, a squash court, two stages, a bedroom, kitchen, bathrooms, swimming pool, a four-story tower, and a room designated “John’s Lounge.”


Edwards was the Democratic candidate for vice president in 2004 and a former N.C. senator.


Thursday afternoon, the Edwards for President press office was unable to provide information on any additional buildings planned for the estate.



   doctors don't pay lawyers for malpractice insurance.. from Brad  9/23/2009 2:27:57 PM
 They pay INSURANCE companies, but that little fact just doesn't fit your rant, does it? How much of those premiums go to make millionares out of the insurance execs???


If doctors had no liability for the care they render, what would compell them to do the the best they could on every occasion, conscience???-- late tee-off???


--don't EVER forget that it could be YOUR loved one who might be the next victim of negligence.


Every year upwards of 200,000 people die from hospital errors! The last thing we need to be doing is eliminating their liability for their own negligence!


If it were terrorists rather than corporations that were killing 200,000 Americans every year, you people would probably declare war!


Any time you hear the phrase 'tort reform' remember that it is nothing but a LEGAL grant of impunity for the abject negligence of a corporation and its employees.


Tort reform is yet another instance where corporations have convinced the bumpkins to do their bidding even when it is clearly against their own best interest.


   But Brad from Wannabe  9/23/2009 2:47:44 PM
 you didn't answer my question.....which is more, 54 million or 290 Billion?


I agree, let's don't cap claims, lets just limit contingency fees to 10%.


Wannabe...


   Just admit it Brad.... from BC  9/23/2009 3:46:03 PM
 you hate rich corporate excutives and the idea that they exist when there are poor people that need things.


Maybe you should share that idea with all of your rich Democratic leaders. Then, if they give all of their money to the poor and become middle to lower class, you will not be a hypocrite.


By the way, you should find somewhere else to spew your communist garbage. We do not like it and never will.


   If you guys want to be able to sue hospitals and doctors then..... from bobabooey #11773  9/23/2009 4:02:36 PM
 When you go to the hospital or doctor, then you should have the option to buy insurance to sue if something goes wrong. That way you can sue if something goes wrong. If you don't want to pay for it then you can't sue.



   Brad and Rip, I agree with you, doctors and hospitals are evil from bobabooey #11773  9/23/2009 4:04:59 PM
 If you guys ever have a heart attack, get cancer, have a stroke, get into a car accident, whatever, you should not go the doctor or hosptial. I support your decision and back you 100%.


   Oh for crying out loud, Brad from StevieP  9/23/2009 5:11:28 PM
 yeah, some people died in hospitals.


how many people who went to hospitals DIDN'T die? Or does that not count for anything?


   communist garbage?? from Brad  9/23/2009 5:13:57 PM
 Only a true servile would consider advocating for the power of the INDIVIDUAL to stand up to a corporation to be some form of communism. I'm just glad that we don't all live in your fascist world--yet. Next time one of your family members is damaged by malpractice--DON'T SUE! you already have that option, Einstien.


If it is for profit, it is fair game in a court of law!


Let a jury of OUR peers decide...


   Brad exit the twilight zone please... from BC  9/23/2009 6:34:14 PM
  Did I ever once mention that a jury should not decide? I simply believe that there should be a limit on $$ awarded.


But plain and simple - You love communism as evidenced by 99% of your posts. And most of your posts are what I was referring to as communist garbage. Also, please address something that I actually did write, such as the part about your hypocritical rich democrat leaders.

Edited 9/23/2009 6:41:21 PM


   Let me get this straight, bobabooey from fatboy  9/23/2009 7:38:03 PM
 " When you go to the hospital or doctor, then you should have the option to buy insurance to sue if something goes wrong. That way you can sue if something goes wrong. If you don't want to pay for it then you can't sue."


Not sure if I am taking your post right or not but, I’m guessing that you have never had someone F’up and turn your life upside down.


I’m guessing you have never been told that “You will never get your old life back”


“You are never going to go back to work.”


“You are never going to walk again so the sooner you get used to it the better off you will be!”


I’m willing to bet you did not lay in bed at night in the dark with those words ringing in your head and wondering what are you going to do, did I put enough money back to make it.


Then I’m also willing to bet that you did not have $10’s of thousands of medical bills coming in with your name on them for something that you did not cause.


Don’t even get me started on about the months, and months of painful rehab or the never ending always present pain.


Yep sounds like one hell of a deal to me. Someone phucks up your life and YOU need to have insurance to cover for THEIR screw up.


Kind of sounds like where we are today.


GREAT, just GREAT


   You have my sympathy fatboy from Brad  9/23/2009 11:02:58 PM
 I hope you are able to wrestle some justice from those responsible for your pain and suffering~


   define the word peer from MikeF  9/24/2009 8:56:59 AM
 That's the problem with juries. You don't have to know crap about anything to be on one. I'll take my chances any day with a jury of "my peers" not your's.


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