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    Bradley..... is this fair ? (Part one)
from Hutch #10968 #10968  
5/29/2012 4:51:50 PM


  The federal government last August imposed hefty fines on seven petroleum companies in North Dakota over the death of 28 birds near their open waste pits.
First-time violators of the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act can receive $5,000 fines and a one-year prison sentence, and second offenses can double those punishments — Three years ago, following an FWS investigation, PacifiCorp paid $10.5 million in fines after 232 golden eagles and other protected birds were electrocuted when they landed on its power lines in Wyoming during a 2½-year period.

In the North Dakota case, an Obama-appointed U.S. attorney brought charges against the oil companies for the deaths of mallard ducks and other birds that mistook open waste pits for natural ponds. Facing fines of at least $15,000 per bird and six months in jail, the companies pleaded guilty and agreed to pay $1,000 per bird, although a federal judge later dismissed the case.

Last July, the FWS took enforcement to a new level of absurdity by threatening to impose a fine of $535, plus imprisonment, on the mother of an 11-year-old girl in Virginia accused of illegally possessing a woodpecker she saved from a hungry cat and soon released. The woodpecker is a protected species under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.

But after the story garnered national attention, the FWS decided the situation was a “misunderstanding” and withdrew charges, according to a Heritage Foundation report.

Is it proper for the government to take those extreme measures, Bradley ?? Part Two to follow: Hutch

Edited 5/29/2012 5:04:16 PM

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   Also Hutch from DaveT  5/29/2012 5:11:36 PM
no msg

Edited 5/29/2012 5:43:59 PM

   shhhhhhhh dave....... lol from Hutch #10968 #10968  5/29/2012 5:40:57 PM
That is where I was headed..... lol Hutch

   Sorry Hutch from DaveT  5/29/2012 5:43:24 PM
carry on.

   Bradley........ is this fair (Part two) from Hutch #10968 #10968  5/29/2012 5:44:43 PM
The wind farms championed by promoters of “green energy,” by comparison, kill more than 400,000 birds a year — including dozens of eagles — yet they pay not a penny in fines.

“Team Obama wants to give wind-power companies long-term permits to butcher bald eagles, America’s national symbol, on the altar of green energy,” writes Deroy Murdock, a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution, and Peace at Stanford University.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) disclosed: “With more than 100,000 turbines expected to be in operation in the United States by 2030, annual bird mortality rates alone (now estimated at 440,000 a year) are expected to exceed one million.”

Among those avian victims are bald eagles and golden eagles that fly into the turbine blades revolving at up to 200 miles per hour.

Determining an exact count for dead eagles is difficult because other animals may eat the carcasses, but 67 golden eagles are estimated to die annually at just one California wind farm, at Altamont Pass. Overall, the toll could surpass 500 golden eagles a year at wind farms in the eagles’ habitat in the western United States.

But a 2009 Obama-era law allows wind farms and others to kill eagles if the harm is unintentional. This loophole lets wind companies escape “the penalties that can befall those with eagle blood on their hands but without political connections,” notes Murdock, a nationally syndicated columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service whose article appeared on National Review Online.

First-time violators of the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act can receive $5,000 fines and a one-year prison sentence, and second offenses can double those punishments — WITH WIND FARMS EXEMPT!!!

Murdock concludes: “If bald eagles dropped dead beside oil derricks, Washington would pound the petroleum industry. Instead, wind propellers chop bald eagles in half. Team Obama then lets wind companies eradicate even more of this republic’s innocent national bird,” which is being “sacrificed in the name of environmental correctness.”

So..... what is your answer Bradley..... ?? Hutch

   What about my house from Skipper  5/29/2012 5:55:00 PM
One of the protected peckerwoods has pecked holes in the siding on my house. Can I fine PETA and make them do restoration on my siding for protecting peckerwoods?

   Skipper I wouldn't care if he was protected or not from DaveT  5/29/2012 7:19:33 PM
he would be dead. Be careful and don't shoot a hole in the house.

   Is it fair tp fine the most profitable corporations on earth for their gross pollution? from Brad  5/29/2012 10:24:10 PM
The wind turbine industry is in its infantcy compared to the oil industry, yet the oil industry continues to pollute the environment accepting a fine that is meaningless to them...

Wind generation is one of the few true 'sources' of energy and therefore it is one of the most important prospects we have for the future. The bird fatalities are a huge concern and the industry is busy trying to find a way to curtail the bird strikes.

Which beggs the question: when is the 100 year old oil industry going to learn how to make their toxic ponds unattractive to ducks year after year after year forcryingoutloud-!?

I think they ought to take the fines from big oil, quadruple them, and use the revenue to finance the wind industry's solution to the bird strike problem!

You are not expected to understand this generation's OBLIGATION to the next, but your grandchildren will..

and they will suffer if we don't do the right thing

   There's not going to be a next generation from Skipper  5/29/2012 10:47:34 PM
If we don't get off our asses and put a stop to foolishness.

   Brad just like a Liberal from DaveT  5/30/2012 6:35:33 AM
Take one companies profit and give it to a company that has to be given Gov money to surive.

   Brad huffs and puffs so much; its no wonder he sees benefit to wind. from Oneeyedjack #13663 #13663  5/30/2012 9:00:44 AM
Brad your "you are not expected to understand" comment is so condescending! As I've said before, intellectual arrogance is so very telling about your liberal arguments.

I assure you pal, I do understand! It may be a different understanding than yours, but the capacity to understand is completely within my grasp.

   typical lib from MikeF  5/30/2012 9:25:09 AM
It's only a problem if it doesn't fit into their agenda.

   You are not expected to understand this generation's OBLIGATION to the next, but your grandchildren will from GITTHENET  5/30/2012 1:27:25 PM
Bwaaaahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa! Like you GAS! The way this president and your debitcrats are spending, our grandchildren will be all living in poverty....

   . from RJR  6/2/2012 8:57:58 AM



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