My fish are coming unhooked way too much. My fish are coming unhooked way too much.
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    My fish are coming unhooked way too much.
from Ppen  
4/15/2012 10:28:17 PM

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 In the past month I have hooked more good fish and landed fewer than I can ever remember in my life. Seems like I get a good hookset and feel the fish pulling hard but then the line goes slack. My hooks are needle sharp, my line is not breaking, my drag is seldom slipping but I am landing few decent fish.


I am using medium action, 6' rods and Trilene big game 12 lb. mono most of the time. Many of the fish I lose get off within 30' of the dock so I doubt that line stretch is the problem. I do double hooksets if they stay on long enough for me to do it.


I have no idea what to try next. All suggestions appreciated.


Thanks


Paul



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   More info please from 5keepers  4/15/2012 10:30:44 PM
 What kind of baits are we talking about? I am assuming crankbait but not sure.


   My suggestion from Jeff Hahn  4/15/2012 10:57:40 PM
 Paul: I have used just about every line on the market and I can say that I've lost more fish using Big Game than any other line. For my style of fishing, it has way too much stretch. I used it for both cranking, spinnerbaits, and worm/jig fishing and lost fish on all these methods using Big Game.


Jeff Hahn


   Baits have been either 1/4 oz. R Traps or red eye shad. from Ppen  4/15/2012 11:34:33 PM
 Jeff, what lines have you found to work better. I am quite willing to try other lines which you folks have had success with.


I would like to stick to 10 or 12 lb. test if possible since most of my best fish have come from the deeper, and further out, depths. The lighter lines make it easier for me to reach out there further. I guess I could go to 3/8th and 1/2 oz. lures if necessary but hate to do so since I am picking up weed on about half of my casts now using 1/4 oz. lures.


I have been getting bit on buzz baits and and inline spinner baits occasionally but still lose far too many fish like about 9 out of 10.


I hate to sound desperate but that's about where I am right now.


Thanks.


Paul


   I got a feeling... from Funky  4/16/2012 12:54:41 AM
 that Vera has mashed down the barbs on all your hooks!


Try a spool of 15 - 20 lb PowerPro braid!


   For the traps, lighter line is OK, and you need a soft rod from Spookchucker #10778 #10778  4/16/2012 5:39:50 AM
 For the spinnerbaits and buzzbaits, you need a stronger rod & much heavier line to get a good hookset.


   PPEN try some Yo-Zuri Hybrid from DaveT  4/16/2012 6:42:13 AM
  I have used this line for years. Good line.


   Paul, I change the hooks on my rattle trap brand from Bill Hunter  4/16/2012 7:39:48 AM
 I also appliy a small split ring between the bait and the hook hook....Med. Heavy rod. Bass Pro Shop line in 10 to 12 should work find. Regular Mono for traps.... Yea, I know, I mess with my stuff to much.


   Some thoughts from 5keepers  4/16/2012 7:39:58 AM
 Braid as Funky said could be good. Some folks including me have trouble with air knots when trying to make long hard bait casting casts with Braid.
I love braid on spinning gear and you might get a little more distance from spinning gear with little effort.
When I am making long casts with bait casting I like flurocarbon. You can pick up a spool of Seagar Red Label for about $10-12. The line stretch is much slower and gives better hook sets I think.


I agree with Spookchucker that heavier rod and line are needed for buzz bait and SB.


Might try the new Mustad KVD triple grip treble hooks on those traps. They are a good holding hook. I think they will save you a fish or two.


Good luck!


   Paul from Jeff Hahn  4/16/2012 8:12:52 AM
 Paul: Personally, I use Izorline Platinum, which has very little stretch. Other low stretch lines would be Trilene XT or fused/braided line. I'm not familiar with the various Suffix lines, so I can't comment on those. Make sure the hooks are sharp. And, be sure to change out those cheap Rat-L-Trap hooks for good ones.


Jeff Hahn


   Stop the double hooksets from Tim #10364 #10364  4/16/2012 8:41:32 AM
  My suggestion would be to stop the double hook sets. I suspect you are just giving them too much slack when you are doing the double hooksets. Your reflexes are not what they used to be and maybe, now you are slower than before, giving them slack.


Redeye shads have good hooks and will sink past the barb just by the loading up of the rod as the fish initially pulls back. The double hookset could be just tearing bigger holes for the hooks to release.

Edited 4/17/2012 12:26:38 AM


   WOW! You guys are good! from Ppen  4/16/2012 9:46:00 AM
 You have given me a lot to work on. I have never been a fan of braided lines. I do use them for fishing in the slop and pads with buzz baits, toads, etc. I am terribly familiar with air knots when using braid. But I will give it a try.


Is a mono or fluorocarbon leader necessary when using braids for traps? I have been using a snap between the line and the lure and this has worked well in the past so I don't think that would be causing my problem now.


Sometimes I think I am over analyzing things but I can't quit on this one.


Thanks for all your help.


Paul


   I am typically way less concerned with line brand from buzzed bait  4/16/2012 10:48:08 AM
 and immediately change the factory hooks, to Mustad triple grips or the old Excalibur rotating ones. I also make sure I upsize to the large size that I can get away without having ole rattle trap hooking his own feet. The rod I throw these on is also of high concern for me. I throw traps and crankbaits on a 7' glass rod. I use lamiglass and American rodsmith but BPS cranking series do veery nice and can be bought for $50. The slow action of a glass rod allows for a "loading up" type of hookset as opposed to the more violent sweeping type hookset common for a jig or plastic. I am convinced setting the hook in the same manner as a plastic more often rips the treble hooks out of the fishes mouth. The glass rod acts as a shock absorber for violent hard pulls, which is why the bigger fish seem to be the ones you always lose. As far as line , know some will disagree but I really put very little stock in the brand name. I just make sure it isnt something that has been sitting on the shelf for months and I change often (every 3 trips of so). Trilene, Stren, P-line are all the same to me.


BB


   Paul, You have to be confused with all these comments. from Bill Hunter  4/16/2012 10:49:07 AM
 Just send me your rattle baits and start throwing a Texas rig Brush Hog or Senko. You got my address. Mustard Man


   Paul, listen to Tim and don't worry so much. Also, find from Oneeyedjack #13663 #13663  4/16/2012 12:16:14 PM
 some quality (not overpriced) flouro and keep casting it will all work out for you.


I use a medium wt 7' rod for those rattle baits and flouro. I rarely change out hooks, and typically do not have fish come unbuttoned.


   This morning I switched two rods from Ppen  4/16/2012 2:24:25 PM
 to use braid and one P-Line. Naturally I had to try them out . First trip to the dock I hooked a small bass and it came unhooked almost immediately. Back to the shed. Changed from a 6-6 med-hvy rated rod to a G Blank, 7', and back to the dock. I threw the trap well with the braid and the longer, softer rod. About the 10th cast a bass nailed it about 7 or 8' from the dock. It ran under the dock twice but succumbed to the braid and I landed it, about 3 lbs.


Mike F is trying to post a picture of the bass but things aren't going well.


I was using an old Berkley Pulse 6'-6" med hvy rod this morning and that rod is the most sensitive rod I have ever owned. With braided line the R Trap really speaks to you. It vibrates the rod handle almost to the point of distraction. Good frog rod.


   If you are losing them 30' away from JohnM  4/17/2012 11:04:17 PM
 After a double hook set I assume you are casting and initial hookup a decent cast out there with your trap. A 6' rod is your problem, you are not picking up enough line for a good hookup. I would go with a lighter (I know you have problems with a heavy rod) 7' rod with a light tip and a fast taper. I would also suggest a high speed reel (talking 7.1 or better) if you are not using one to help pick up the line on the hook set. You need every advantage when that bait is that far away with your wrist. I have a bad wrist and always sweep my rods like a C'rig set when fishing a trap. You are never going to get them all but I get more than I deserve. You've seen pics of many a white bass that fell victim to a 1/4 ounce trap LOL.


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