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    Dem's for Romney
from tlkl1 #17667  
6/16/2012 9:55:50 AM

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 This country is in a h--- of a shape. Enough! Time to go another direction! Dem's for Romney starts here! Fellow Dem's,get on board now!


One fed up Dem!! Terry


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   Excellent post Terry! nm from Wackoman  6/16/2012 9:59:31 AM
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   the choice is from Beartrap   6/16/2012 10:43:36 AM
 a Mormon or a moron....

Beartrap
   Obama is not responsible for this mess and you are no dem Terry~! from Brad  6/16/2012 2:02:47 PM
  Obama did not create this mess, his predicessor got to screw up virtually every aspect of our economy from unfunded tax breaks for those who need them the least--to the bank bailout, to the housing collapse to two UNNECESSARY wars, etc,etc,etc.


Then the cabal just got to turn around and walk away with their middle finger in the air!


leaving this president with the biggest economic down turn in generations. It will take YEARS to undo the damage done to America by the wreckless and lawless bulsh cabal!


If you have ANY illusion that "corporations are people too" is going to help working families, you need to rethink your world view...


Terry, the only people who will vote for romney are royalty worshippers--people who have so little self esteem that they grovel before the rich; consider them to be superior to themselves, want to heap as much economic advantage on them as possible, even at their own expense.


Under the bulsh cabal the top 1% saw their income gain by 275% while the rest of (working) America saw their wealth actually decline..\


Redistribution????


NAH!


Royalty DESERVES to live better than you EVER will!


This is America, damnit-

Edited 6/16/2012 2:03:52 PM


   Brad gets an "A+" from Jeff Hahn  6/16/2012 2:11:08 PM
 An "A+" for Brad. He repeated the party line word for word. Brad, you an expert at memorization. Too bad that no one ever taught you higher order reasoning, such as critical thinking.


Jeff Hahn


   What's too bad Jeff... from Brad  6/16/2012 2:53:07 PM
 Is that you can't refute a single thing i said!


Don't you find that interesting?


i sure do~


   He can refute what you said. So can I my little wacko buddy. from Wackoman  6/16/2012 3:53:24 PM
 
First of all the economic collapse that started under Bush's term was created by a democratic controlled house and senate. The law makers on the left side of the isle were the ones that were to be watching the banks and wall street. There was talk about jailing some of the crooks from the democratic party at the time. You forget.


Bush on three different occasions called for the reform of Freddie and Fannie (chief among the lenders to cause the housing bubble) but Barney Franks and his butt buddies shut that down. So if Obama inherited this mess he has no one to blame but his own party.


Secondly if the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are so unnecessary why have they continued to rage for three years after Bush left office? If no one in that part of the world wishes to make war with us then why does Obama have a hit list he keeps striking names off of via his pet drone attacks?


Yes they wealthy have gotten more wealthy but they have also paid more in taxes because of this. The top 10 percent of income earners in America pay 70 percent of all federal income taxes. You want to keep your friends in welfare checks you should wish for the rich to get richer. A lot more that just 275% over 8 years if that number is anything other than bullchit.


Let the rich alone. They do enough outside of what the feds rip them off for. Who do you think keeps the regular guys working? The feds? Shit. Who do you think keeps the churches in the business of help the poor? The feds? The unions? What about the Red Cross? United Way? Most any half way creditable charitable organization in the country exist because of the wealthy in this country. An idiot like you would have the rich stop that. You would tax them into another county. You and your ideology would clearly be the ruin of the economy. Stop your little wealth envy sniffling. Please, it serves no purpose and we are tried of it.


   lol brad from MikeF  6/16/2012 3:55:55 PM
 Two things; first, how about Wisconsin? American voters shot down a recall funded by unions. A new sun of freedom is rising over Lake Michigan and it's shining brightly.


Second obama did not create this mess (a democratic congress with the help of republicans did) but he has managed to drag out this recession to a new record length while running up more debt than any other president ever. he's the worst president in modern history. he will be gone shortly and will not be missed.


BTW total union membership is at it's lowest levels in 5 decades. I doubt if you have any clue why.


   One can not refute fiction from Jeff Hahn  6/16/2012 4:00:21 PM
 One can not refute fiction or mythology. Instead, those art forms must be appreciated for what they are. Only facts can be refuted. But, in order to make it worth while to refute someone's position, one must first assess whether the other person will accept contrary evidence as a refutation of their argument. Since you never let facts get in the way of your beliefs, I won't waste my breath.


Jeff Hahn


   Dayum Wacko from 5keepers  6/16/2012 5:19:28 PM
 That was mighty well said! I would like to sign it as if it was my own words. You write good! And correct I might add!
Those that get a government check best vote Republican.
With R's in control there is hope.
With the Dem's in control we are headed down the tube and government checks will likely end.


   I seem to bring out the best in American royalty worshipping... from Brad  6/16/2012 6:35:13 PM
 WASHINGTON, June 11 (Reuters) - Americans suffered a record decline in wealth between 2007 and 2010 as home values tumbled, according to a Federal Reserve report on Monday that underscored the severity of the recent recession.


The median family's net worth dropped 38.8 percent during the three-year period, the Fed said in its latest report on changes in U.S. Family Finances, derived from a survey of consumer finances. Fed economists told reporters that this was the biggest drop in net worth since the survey started in 1989.


The median net worth, which is the value of assets minus debt, plunged to $77,300 in 2010 from $126,400 in 2007. Net worth in 2010 was at levels last seen in 1992.


"Although declines in the values of financial assets or business were important factors for some families, the decreases in median net worth appear to have been driven most strongly by a broad collapse in house prices," the Fed said.


The survey's findings shine a harsh light on the devastation inflicted on the economy by the 2007-09 recession and could help to explain the frustratingly slow pace of the recovery.


The housing market's collapse was at the core of the recession, during which the economy contracted nearly 5.1 percent between the third quarter of 2007 and the second quarter of 2009, with the unemployment rate rising 4.5 percentage points to 9.5 percent.


"Housing was of greater importance than financial assets for the wealth position of most families," the Fed said.


The survey found that the decline in median net worth was large for families in groups where housing was a larger share of assets, such as families headed by someone 35 to 44 years old and families in the West region.


"A substantial part of the declines observed in net worth over the 2007-10 period can be associated with decreases in the level of unrealized capital gains on families' assets," the Fed said.


The share of total assets of all families attributable to unrealized capital gains from real estate, businesses, stocks, or mutual funds fell 11.6 percentage points to 24.5 percent in 2010, it said.


While the overall level of debt owed by families was unchanged, debt as a percentage of assets rose to 16.4 percent in 2010 from 14.8 percent in 2007 because the value of the underlying assets, especially housing, decreased faster.


The share of families carrying a credit card balance fell 6.7 percentage points to 39.4 percent in 2010. The median balance fell 16.1 percent to $2,600 in 2010 from $3,100 in 2007.


The proportion of families with debt payments greater than 40 percent of their income was nearly unchanged between 2007 and 2010. (Reporting By Lucia Mutikani; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama)


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Middle America has been HAD!


Who got that money???


   Very WELL said Wacko, And Brad from DaveT  6/16/2012 6:43:16 PM
  When the house is on fire, do you pour Gas on it to put the fire out? Brad do you remember what the unemployment rate was when Obummer took office? 7% IT hasn't been that low ever since Obummer took office. Gas was 1.85 a gallon, around here it is 3.55 a gallon. Another good job Obummer. Can you explain how you fund a tax cut? This would be money that the Government never took from us in the first place. How do you fund something you never had in the first place.

Edited 6/16/2012 6:44:08 PM


   Brad from RJR  6/16/2012 6:53:31 PM
 you should be buying all the real estate you can. Common sense. Take advantage of what your party of idiots has created.


   Hey Terry how about Joe Manchin from DaveT  6/16/2012 6:53:42 PM
  I can't vote for him, because he voted not to defund Planned Parenthood. The biggest abortion provider in the country. Planned Parenthood was caught on film advising a woman on how to do sex selection abortion. Don't want a girl baby, just kill it, and try again. GOD HELP OUR COUNTRY. No support for Joe Manchin. He will probably win any way, but not by my vote. He has also lost his support from right to life. And as a super delegate, he voted against the peoples will for Obama. The people of WV voted for Clinton, but Joe canceled their vote, and went for Obummer.


   a few odd facts from MikeF  6/16/2012 7:01:19 PM
 Most of the drop in housing values occurred after November of 2008.


The highest foreclosure rates occurred after November of 2008.


The highest rate of job loss occurred after November of 2008.


The highest unemployment rates occurred after November of 2008.


The highest deficits occurred after November 2008.


The biggest mistake ever made by the American voters occured in November of 2008.


It's not odd how all of these facts seem interconnected.


   And Mike after those facts from DaveT  6/16/2012 7:15:55 PM
 some like Brad still support Obummer.


   we will never change Brad from RJR  6/16/2012 7:31:35 PM
 but a lot of lurkers that just read these boards can obviously see how stupid his ideas really are. He is his own worst enemy and he doesn't even know it.


   Hey guys from Jeff Hahn  6/16/2012 8:18:34 PM
 I'm done doing this!



Jeff Hahn


   Fortune 500 Companies Made Record $824 Billion Profit In 2011 from Brad  6/16/2012 10:33:14 PM
  Poverty is rampant. Hunger is widespread. But don't worry about America's largest corporations -- they're doing just fine.


Fortune released its annual list of the country's 500 biggest companies this week, and it turns out to have been a good year for corporate America. In 2011, the Fortune 500 generated a combined $824.5 billion in earnings -- an all-time record, and a 16 percent jump from the previous year.


The report echos others indicating corporate America is experiencing boom times. U.S. corporate profits returned to pre-recession levels, according to the International Institute for Labour Studies released Friday, hitting 15 percent of gross domestic product.


The larger economic picture hasn't been so rosy of course. Twelve and a half million people are still out of work. Many of the new jobs that have been created lately are low-paying food service gigs. A record 46 million Americans are in poverty, and millions more are only just clinging onto financial stability -- one emergency is all it would take to tip them into disaster.


But much like the too-big-to-fail banks -- whose assets now exceed half the size of the U.S. economy, and which have made more profits since the financial crisis than they did in the eight years prior -- corporations don't seem bothered by the bleak weather on Main Street. They just keep growing.


In fact, many have benefitted on the backs of workers that in some cases are underpaid or at risk of losing their jobs. Among the largest companies on Fortune's list is Walmart, at number two, which was recently hit with a $4.8 million fine from the government for allegedly failing to pay its workers overtime; General Electric, at number six, which may have paid an average federal tax rate of just 2.3 percent over the past decade, according to the group Citizens for Tax Justice; and General Motors, at number five, which amassed $9.1 billion in profits last year and recently froze pay for its work staff of 26,000.


Further down the list are Lockheed Martin, which recorded $2.6 billion in profits last year and offered buyout plans to more than 6,000 employees; and Pfizer, which took in $10 billion in profits and announced plans to lay off more than 16,000 workers.


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Where are the jobs????


You won't let the government create jobs--


the ff500 WON't create jobs even though they have more available capital than any other time in history---


So just how in the heck do you bumpkins propose we created jobs!?!?


seriously-!


talk about jobs!



   stop killing jobs first from MikeF  6/17/2012 12:03:35 AM
  Before you talk about "creating" jobs you need to stop killing jobs. BTW only one thing creates real American jobs, it's demand for goods and services that are made or provided by Americans.


you frickin' morons don't understand that all of the insanity that raises the cost of producing goods or providig services kills American jobs.


you and people like you are the problem so you'll never be part of the solution.


BTW until you understand how and why a business functions don't bother to ask questions about what they're doing.


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Edited 6/17/2012 8:59:54 AM


   and one more point from MikeF  6/17/2012 12:05:44 AM
 Wesconsin was the begining of the end of this socialistic stupidity. The light at the end of the tunnel is a train and it's running right over this failed administration.


   How much of those profits came from from JohnM  6/17/2012 6:59:44 AM
 China, India, Dubai, South Korea?


Clinton signed favored trade with China


Obama signed favored trade with a South Korea


Brad wants to talk about one agreement NAFTA but leaves off Canada also bailed out his union buddies at GM. BTW Brazil is doing OK with GE and Ford as well.


Yes Brad our companies made record profit. They are supposed to make more each year! I'm sure there are some bad apples in there, kind of like Rangle being a bad apple in D.C. Where is your outrage about his lavish lifestyle while ripping off the "poor"?


   Bwahaahaa why do you people do this from fatboy #9897  6/17/2012 9:43:24 AM
 Full live well Brad.


   simple answer fatboy from MikeF  6/17/2012 11:07:43 AM
 It gives us a good opportunity to show why the brads are wrong. No one here with good sense expects to change the brad's simple minds. The goal is to sway the undecided.


   don't any of you guys find it interesting.. from Brad  6/17/2012 11:52:39 AM
 I still do!


but still nothing.....?


This is an issue that we are all passionate about, so why not broach the greatest aspect of our problem--income inequality?????


   Income Inequality? from Funky  6/17/2012 12:45:14 PM
 You like where some dood behind the counter at Mickey D's having a tough time figuring out if dats two McRibs and tfree fries or the other way around... isn't paid as much as everyone else. Say, like some long term, high level union worker in Southern Calif. or some do nothing wannabe basketball player living in a white house on Pa Ave? If everybody gets paid the same, then what incentive is there to do anything?


Equal pay for equal work bwadley, but remember, WORK is the key word!


   Again Bradley from Hutch #10968 #10968  6/17/2012 2:45:12 PM
 I suggest you move to Cuba or North Korea.... everybody in the working class makes the same.... and their isn't even a fortune 500 to worry about .... Go shooooo Today if possible..... go shooooooo Hutch


   Hey Brad from flipnfool1 #18385  6/17/2012 11:41:10 PM
 If your hero really cared about the economy he should do his part by cutting his costs. Have you looked into his wife's expenses, it seems to me that they are using us the private sector to fund trip after trip, at a cost of millons. This guy is really got the wool pulled over your eyes. I'll be the first to admit that Bush #2 was not a very good pres. but your hero thinks that he is going to get his before leaving office. After three years and change he has done nothing to get the ball rolling in creating jobs. If he wants to be considered a great pres. he should take a page out of history and do what FDR did to pull this nation out of the hole we have dug for ourselves.


   FDR created agencies and programs from JohnM  6/18/2012 8:43:47 AM
 Meant to be temporary that are choking us today. IF......with the government temporary seems not to be in their vocabulary, IF we could go back to the days of a person working for a government check then yes I'd agree to some of FDR's plans. Back then the poor had no AC, no cell phone, I don't recall seeing fat poor people pics standing in line buying steaks, they didn't own cars, they left family and did honest work until they saved enough to get out of poverty.


Today we call this group of people green card holders or wet backs. They supposedly do the jobs Americans, even poor, broke, bankrupt Americans won't.


One such LEGAL couple in our church just bought their first small house here with the 30,000 cash they saved in 24 MONTHS. I make over three times the minimum wage and we have scraped to pay off that amount of debt in the same amount of time,or have we?


Number one EVERY penny I make goes to taxes, I work all year plus my pension, plus my disability doesn't cover our tax liabities. 30K is about six months for an upper middle class family without children at home. Imagine what it is on a business. I don't have to imagine I see it.


It's a lot different now than when FDR was around. The next Ford or Heinz will look at countries outside of America as long as we demonize them. Can you blame them???


For now I continue to thank God for the blessings he gives including the freedom of being American and voicing an opinion like this. Not everyone in the world has it. He has a plan.


   Don't blame me, I didn't read all this drivel, but from Spinny  6/18/2012 10:56:33 AM
 what Bradiculous doesn't remember is that the House and Senate were Dem controlled under Bush.


So who's really at fault?


I thought so.


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