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    Pennsylvania Bass Tournament fish kill
from Spiner B11 #12548  
6/25/2012 6:27:12 PM

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 The Pennsylvania Bass Tournament held on the upper bay had a very large fish kill. If you go to their web site and look at the results they had a lot of anglers with dead fish penaltys. Maryland department of Natural Resources is checking in to find out what went wrong. Besides the dead fish that were discarded into a pond behind the launch site a lot of fish that were released are now floating in the north east river and the launch area. MCAT do you know what happened. I sent an email to the Pa bass
Federation but so far have no reply. This is certainly not acceptable and someone must be held accountable. This is my feelings on the subject . Walt


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   A guess from experience from Skipper  6/25/2012 6:56:16 PM
 Any tournament held this time of year is going to have a relatively large fish kill. It's nature. Fish are deep and 2 things are happening. A lot of fish were probably caught on a C-rig. C rigs have a higher than average fish kill because the depth and weight of the rig itself leads to swallowed hooks more so than other tactics.


The most important is the depth. At 25 feet or deeper you are talking about 60 degree or very likely colder water bringing a fish up to the surface with a temp of 85+. The bends along with the change in temps is deadly for fish.


It's just tough to keep fish alive in a well with high temp water.


   These fish were caught from Spiner B11 #12548  6/25/2012 7:06:25 PM
 Most of these fish are in 2 to 4 feet of water or less. This is tidal water here with grass everywhere The flats alone have over 11000 acres of grass. Mostly top water fish and flipping plastics. No c rigs here this time of year. Walt


   Where from GonFishn  6/25/2012 7:14:31 PM
  The Bay? What Bay, when was the event, was it the TBF or the BASS Nation? Are you a member of either? Just wondering, from the sounds of it they shouldn't have had that high a mortality.

Did a bit more searching and found the following: 18 clubs fished the event, they weighed in 1562 fish of which 1438 were turned loose. The mortatility rate was 8%. As to the floating fish, read post tournament mortality, we've all heard the rumors re this issue before and unless I actually see it I don't usually pay much credence to it. Not condoning 8% but it doesn't sound that bad to me? Water temp shouldn't have been a consideration yet?

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   Fish Kill from Balsa B #13691 #13691  6/25/2012 7:35:27 PM
 I fished that tournament and many are asking the same questions. I am using my Ranger boat for the tenth season and I had two fish die on me for the first time in ten years. I ran my aerators all day long and added a little rejuvenade. Early in the week the water temp was in the low 70's. On Friday, the first day of the tournament with the extreme heat wave that fell upon the upper bay the surface temp jumped to 85 degrees. One theory is that a lot of fishermen used ice to cool the water. Some are saying that the chlorene or whatever is in the water to make ice may have contributed. Never the less, I know that many of the fishermen who lost fish were seasoned tournament veterans and know how to take care of fish. I do not know what stage the fish were in but the post spawn can be a difficult time for fish. I am not a biologist so I will not speculate. I do know that the PA Bass Federation did not do anything wrong to contribute. They had four huge aerated tanks in the shade. They use the type of bag that has a liner that you pull out to expose your fish to fresh aerated water in the tank. Those fish were not sitting in bags of water alone. There was never a fisherman in line to weigh that did not have his or her fish in the aerated water. From the scale to the release point was about a distance of fifteen feet to release fish. Believe me, The PA Federation is just as concerned as you. On another note. I live 22 miles from the ramp at Anchor Marine and I fish down there at least twice a week mostly on a week day. Every weekend June thru August there are many tournaments and every monday when I show up to launch my boat I see many DEAD Bass. This is not a PA Federation problem alone. As much as I like to fish tournaments I would have no problem seeing the Maryland DNR ban all bass tournaments during the months of June, July & August. One last comment. I have fished with the PA Bass federation for over ten years and their live release record other than this past weekend will match anyone! The fishermen from PA truly care about their catch and its live release. Bill


   Another fish kill from Balsa B #13691 #13691  6/25/2012 8:15:34 PM
 There was an "ABA" tournament this weekend on the same body of water out of the same ramp. They had 18 fishermen that weighed fish and 6% were dead. Sounds like it was the wrong time to put fish in a livewell. The dead fish count has nothing to do with the organization running the tournaments. Unfortuanality schedules are set early in the year and there is no way to predict the conditions.


   Still no BIG DEAL guys!!! from GonFishn  6/25/2012 8:24:41 PM
 How many meat fishermen were at that body of water that day? You can bet they took how many untold hundreds of fish home? Mortality; 6-8-10% is minimal compared to harvest of game fish. Limits are set taking all thing's into consideration, meat hunters, tournaments, mortality etc. I really doubt time of year had little to do with it either as 85 degree water temps are manageable. PA DNR would be foolish to intervene in any manner and unless a member is asking for particulars, the PA TBF, or BASS Nation for that matter, should turn a blind ear to any non-member grousings.


   Md DNR from Dwight #10907 #10907  6/26/2012 7:59:01 AM
 Its not the Pa DNR that is going to be involved since it was on MD waters and was put on by a PA Federation. I don't care which one but if they can't hold tournaments on their home state waters in the spring because it's illegal to fish during their closed season then they shouldn't be in MD holding tournaments. The MD DNR will end up closing our season because NJ, DEL and PA Federation hold spring tournaments here and kill fish. It doesn't matter how many die if the right people complain and they have already done so they will close our season.


   numbers from Dwight #10907 #10907  6/26/2012 8:05:05 AM
 Whats up with the double numbers behind the name.


   no big deal from Dwight #10907 #10907  6/26/2012 8:11:48 AM
 It may not be a big deal in Ohio but the DNR MD is being pushed to limit tournaments by all organizations and now we have new rules that make you apply for permits to hold them so they can be limited.


   PA tournaments from Jeff Hahn  6/26/2012 8:14:27 AM
 Many groups of PA anglers also hold their tournaments on Ohio waters because their season is not yet open. The trail that I fish had a Sunday tournament scheduled on a local reservoir, only to find out that the lake authorities later also granted the PA Federation a permit to hold a two day event on the same reservoir that weekend. So, our 60 boat field had to contend with a lake that had been beaten up the day before by a much larger tournament field, let alone practice days for our tournament and their tournament...although there was no fish kill issues.


I don't begrudge the PA guys from wanting to fish spring tournaments. Since they can't fish them at home, they have to go to nearby waters in other states. But, maybe if these other states put their own anglers ahead of the visitors, the PA guys would get fed up enough to start applying pressure on the PA DNR to change their regulations. In my experience, PA is only slightly behind WI in terms of hating bass tournaments and employing antiquated regulations.


Jeff Hahn


   MBFN from Dwight #10907 #10907  6/26/2012 8:39:01 AM
  I belong to the Md. federation and we have paid for and built a lot of the weigh-in stations in the state but we don't get preferance over anyone. We do get calls from the DNR asking for money to repair and replace things but then comes the "we can't promise you anything in return for your money". I have said for years if we don't get preferance they shouldn't be asking for money. PA. also doesn't want out of state fishermen or hunters look at their license fees.

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   Fish kill at tournament from Mcat  6/26/2012 8:57:03 AM
 I was at the weigh in when many dead fish were brought to the scales. I saw 2 boats that came to the dock without water in their livewells, all fish were dead. Not sure why they lost water, but the wells were dry, or very little water when they reached the docks. Many anglers were fishing grass with plastics. When this type of fishing takes place with windy conditions, many fish are hooked deep and die. One of the tournaments fishing took pictures of each anglers fish, which adds to the time the fish are out of the water. Not that this makes it right, but a lot of people noticed the dead fish this past weekend because anglers put dead fish back into the water.


   Permit fee from Balsa B #13691 #13691  6/26/2012 11:49:11 AM
 I am from PA and I consider the upper bay as my home water. From my driveway to the ramp is 35 minutes. I love the Bay as much as any MD resident and I would have no problem with the MD DNR charging a permit fee. I think the money could be put to good use. Rather than pester the local clubs for money everyone including out of staters could contribute. One thing to keep in mind even though it may not seem to be a big deal to some, out of staters do contribute a lot of money to the local economy. When a tournament comes to town, a lot of money is spent on gas, lodging, food and marina fees. I am not sure the local chamber of commerce would be to happy if the non residents were kept away. I still believe that tournaments should be limited during the hot summer months. This is the only time you hear of dead fish to any extent. I believe that the upper bay is one of the top five bass catching locations in the entire country. For this reason it has to be protected. Keeping non residents away will not solve the problem. The local bass fishermen do not handle their catch any differently than non residents.


   I heard Terry Scroggins give a little seminar a from Bill Hunter  6/26/2012 5:03:18 PM
 couple of weeks ago...he said, don't put hot lake water in your live well after you have a limit of bass...also, some store bought ice has cemicals that will harm fish in a live well. It was suggested that fisherman go to the lake a day or two ahead...get 'Lake Water' and freeze it and use it, if you deemed necessary in your live wells.... Listen, sometimes, they just die.....MM


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