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    The Wisconsin DNR knew exactly what they were doing...
from ButchT  
6/26/2012 5:16:00 PM

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 Proof perfect was yesterday, first day of practice for the Green Bay Elite Tournament.


There were 20+ boats fishing right at the off limits boundary yesterday, J Todd being one of them. He talked to 11 of the anglers and only one had caught a fish, the rest, including him, had not had a bite.


Just around the corner is Sturgeon Bay. James Overstreet and Dennis Tj were in there and had five that looked like they would go 25 or better. Picture was posted on facebook this morning. Chris Lane also reported in his blog on bassmaster.com he only caught one fish yesterday.


A number of the anglers fished the off limits area on Sunday, J Todd included. He said he, Landon and Mike caught so many 3 to 4 pounders it was crazy. He said one of the best spots was less than a mile past the off limits.


The Wisconsin DNR is obviously pizzing in the face of the Green Bay Chamber of Commerce and Tourism Bureau and B.A.S.S. They knew exactly what they were doing and used their abusive liberal power to make it happen.


I truly hate it for all concerned. What could have been simply won't be as KVD so eloquently explained in his blog. And as all the Elite Anglers have expressed the Wisconsin people are awesome fans and have been so supportive. Hats off to the Wisconsin fans, thumbs down on the knee jerk reaction by the Wisconsin DNR.


And BTW Hoot...those events you mention, are all in the winter. The Tourism people are concentrating on bringing in summer tourism, which would be fishing. Unfortunately for the merchants and businesses in the area that won't be the case.


The Wisconsin DNR will win this one...B.A.S.S. won't be back where they aren't welcome...pure and simple.


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   They should pack up and leave from MikeF  6/26/2012 6:23:55 PM
 The best way to prove the point IMHO is to leave today. Saying you're not coming back isn't the same as leaving right now.


   I said Wisconsin is a tourist mecca which from Hoot  6/26/2012 6:33:54 PM
 includes all seasons which includes the summer...There isn't a real shortage of outdoor sports enthusiasts heading to WI which includes people intending to fish....


Fishing is alive and well in WI and will still be in spite of the DNR's actions toward this event....Tourism will still be good in the state regardless of whatever BASS decides to do in the future..


The DNR has already given the area more free publicity and have already created a mystique about it...


   I doubt they have that option Mike... from ButchT  6/26/2012 6:35:11 PM
 Because of the contract with Green Bay. Just a bad deal all the way around. Not a good thing for all concerned and with absolutely no support from the Wisconsin DNR..matter of fact, just the opposite.


Only the citizens in Wisconsin can make a difference in the future. B.A.S.S. and the guys will simply do what they can and move on,,,,no other choice.


   Whatever you say Hoot... from ButchT  6/26/2012 6:36:47 PM
 Whatever.....don't worry,,they won't be back.


   In my opinion from JerseyBasser  6/26/2012 7:52:29 PM
  and opinions are like a holes..... DNR got exactly what they wanted. A buzz all over the internet about how good the fishing is above Sturgeon Bay. Its not right for what they have done and could totally showcase this fishery even better with the Elite Anglers on it. Now just like you mentioned Butch the buzz will be about how good the fishing could have been etc.
I am not advocating what the Wiscky DNR done but I can see that they got accomplished what they wanted,or at least it seems to me.
It sucks and I hope B.A.S.S. will never go back.

And as JTodd said" This place is gonna fish really small"

Edited 6/26/2012 7:57:55 PM


   Hoot,,,Wisconsin is not a tourist mecca...sorry.... from ButchT  6/26/2012 8:06:38 PM
 Panama City Beach is.


   That's their choice from Hoot  6/26/2012 8:21:49 PM
 I simply disagree with the statements that tourism will suffer dramatically in Wisconsin because of a decision however unfair or unfair decision by the DNR that restricts the tournament to an area of water that has around 350-500,000 acres.


I'm reserving judgement on the WI DNR and wouldn't expect an agency who's job it is to protect and enhance Wisconsin's fisheries to be swayed by just the money argument presented on here. There have evidently been some restrictions placed on Walleye Tournaments in this area as well based on fish mortality in the past.Tourism boards and the Chambers of Commerce's don't dictate Fish & Game policies in any state.


I also have a difficult time believing the critical posts stating the WI DNR Biologists and officials are all Incompetent Liberal Idiots just exercising political agendas.


It's time to just go fish and show the WI DNR how BASS can run a tournament and how well they take care of fish.Then discuss what you'll do in the future no use slamming a door on your own toe.


   I won't argue that point but then from Hoot  6/26/2012 8:35:49 PM
 Wisconsin Dells has to be a mini Upper Midwest Panama City...We'd have to do a careful study to see which place has the most T-Shirt shops, water parks & go kart tracks per capita...Probably don't want to know


I hope they don't do a reality show about security problems in Wisconsin Dells...I watched the one about Panama City on a regular basis...just to check out the different species of Palm trees of course..


I was backed up in a huge Sunday interstate traffic jam by the Dells on my way to Eastern Wisconsin on business. Figured there must have been an accident so I got off at an exit and enjoyed a meal figuring things would clear out in a hour or so.It was worst and during one of the extended stops and not rolling at 3 miles per hour asked the folks in the car next to me what was going on. They said it's just the normal summer weekend traffic going home to Chicago.


   Hoot has some good points but I guess part of what upset me when I first found out.. from Wackoman  6/26/2012 8:47:54 PM
 
is it seems the off limits came late in the game. I don't know but you would think BASS would check on getting a permit before they selected the mystery lake. If they did and weren't told about the off limits then clearly the DNR didn't play fair. BASS would not have went to the location under the current restrictions.


If they picked the lake, did the media release and then went to get the permit only to find out the waters would be restricted then BASS screwed up. Especially knowing this is a state that until recently had a no cull rule.


All that said, smart fish biologist or stupid liberals DNR brass, anyone with any sense knows that 100 fishermen over four days can not possibly damage a fishery the size of which they will be fishing this week. Even if by some freak happening they killed half their catch you are only talking about 1000 fish. I believe I have seen that many on one rock before in Ontario. I am sure lake Michigan is that good or better. Plus them smallies had lots of babies this spring. They need some room to grwo too.


   Tourism from Jeff Hahn  6/26/2012 9:43:05 PM
 I doubt that the DNR's actions will hurt the EXISTING tourism a bit. But, they will not experience the boom of tourism that would have occurred if the boundaries had not been set and they had not generated all of this bad publicity for themselves. And, maybe that's the way they want it. Maybe they don't want the extra tourism dollars that would have been spent (maybe their economy is doing just fine, like the President said!), maybe they don't want the additional out of staters who would have come to experience their outstanding fishery, and maybe they just want to keep their outstanding resource all to themselves...and that's fine. Because, that's exactly what's going to happen. The DNR up there sounds more like they are guided by preservationists than conservationists.


Jeff Hahn


   It's payback time folks from GonFishn  6/26/2012 10:04:36 PM
 After all the efforts expended by the Bass Nation in Wisconsin, as well as many other entities, the W/DNR had their chance and they took it by slamming the door in the face of BASS. I also feel a lot of Hoot's comments are more atuned to someone speaking from a NIMBY scenario. Also, it's not necessarily the rank and file of the DNR that's inept, but it surely reflects badly on the administrators and governing commission in Wisconsin. Its politics folks, pure and simple, but hey, look at where it's happening, it's Wisconsin folks, land of of the somewhat free.


   It's a weird place. from TroyJ/Angling Alabama   6/26/2012 10:22:51 PM
 I've been taking kids up to Wisconsin hunting and fishing every year for many years. It seems most sportsmen up there think pro bass fishing is just silly. They'll use a baby bass for walleye bait any day of the week if they can get away with it. Whatever the reasoning may be for implementing their key management policy, one thing is clear, state management agencies simply (almost arrogantly) don't care what we think. It's just that simple.


   you would think mercury outboards from Beartrap   6/26/2012 10:34:27 PM
 would have some connections to the political power in that state.......bass fishermen and tournaments sell a lot of mercury outboards...Mercry should be in a position to put political pressure on the wisconsin DNR and let them know their job is to help bass fishing and not hinder it....it's obvious that their agenda is anti tournament and bass fishing and that kind of thinking will no longer be tolerated....

Beartrap
   then why are they there from MikeF  6/27/2012 9:57:22 AM
 Other than to make money for the owners of BASS why would they want to fish somewhere they are not wanted?


   Wisconsin a tourist mecca?... from RobShaw  6/27/2012 10:20:05 AM
 Please tell these yahoo's in Va Beach that! lol


Too bad B.A.S.S. can't strike their tents and move the "mystery tournament" south of the Mason Dixon.


   beautiful country from MikeF  6/27/2012 10:36:55 AM
 I had some friends from Little Chute, WI; it's beautiful country up there. Maybe they just don't like rednecks (LOL).


    Different Kind Of People from Papafins  6/27/2012 11:14:41 AM
 I lived in Milwaukee for about three years and they are a little different up there, remember your brain stays frozen nine months out of the year.
You guys make some good points, the Dells is indeed a tourist trap (oh haven), and Door County is a beuatiful area. That said I would think bass fishing ranks a distant third to walleye and lake trout and koho salmon.
There are charter boats all along the coast from Milwaukee on up and they follow the lake trout and koho migration.


Troy is right they would use small bass for bait fishing for walleye, Northerns and muskies.


Who knows how BASS handled it did they ask Mercury for help, when did they know about the boundries and did they have enough timme to change the venue?
If so they should have politely told Green Bay thanks but no thanks, and gone somewhere else, and said we will comme back when there are no boundries.


Its a crappy deal now but lets hope the anglers catch the crap out of em!


   bass will be back from 1bigsnakehead #18631  6/27/2012 12:12:45 PM
 all green bay has to do is show them money. and they will return without a care in the world for boundaries.


   Don't think so snakehead... from ButchT  6/27/2012 5:12:48 PM
 They'll have someone else in a better place with the same money,,,you can count on it. If you know Jerry Mc you know to not pizz him off.


   yeah from 1bigsnakehead #18631  6/27/2012 6:14:21 PM
 but if they offer more money. jerry will back faster than your head can spin. big tournaments go where the money takes them. no other reason.


   Doubt Green Bay will offer again snakehead... from ButchT  6/27/2012 7:12:17 PM
 Unless the DNR get's it's head out of it's but... :)


   probably true from 1bigsnakehead #18631  6/27/2012 7:23:25 PM
 unless they see a benefit in doing so. however, like i said before. this will actually make this tx interesting as anybody who got help, probably rec'd info for the area thats currrently off limits. so everybody is alot more equal for this tx, than they have been for others.


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