I don't read George all the time. His words are too big but I liked this one I found in my local rag this morning.. I don't read George all the time. His words are too big but I liked this one I found in my local rag this morning..
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    I don't read George all the time. His words are too big but I liked this one I found in my local rag this morning..
from Wackoman  
8/19/2012 11:58:15 AM


George Will: No need to fear apocalypse anytime soon

George Will is a Washington columnist and television commentator. Contact him at georgewill@washpost.com.

Sunday, August 19, 2012

WASHINGTON — Sometimes the news is that something was not newsworthy. The United Nation's Rio+20 conference — 50,000 participants from 188 nations — occurred in June, without consequences.

A generation has passed since the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio, which begat other conferences and protocols (e.g., Kyoto). And, by now, apocalypse fatigue — boredom from being repeatedly told the end is nigh.

This began two generations ago, in 1972, when we were warned (by computer models developed at MIT) that we were doomed. We were supposed to be pretty much extinct by now, or at least miserable. We are neither. So, what when wrong?

That year begat "The Limits to Growth," a book from the Club of Rome, which called itself "a project on the predicament of mankind." It sold 12 million copies, staggered The New York Times ("one of the most important documents of our age") and argued that economic growth was doomed by intractable scarcities.

Bjorn Lomborg, the Danish academic and "skeptical environmentalist," writing in Foreign Affairs, says it "helped send the world down a path of worrying obsessively about misguided remedies for minor problems while ignoring much greater concerns," such as poverty, which only economic growth can ameliorate.

MIT's models foresaw the collapse of civilization because of "nonrenewable resource depletion" and population growth. "In an age more innocent of and reverential toward computers," Lomborg writes, "the reams of cool printouts gave the book's argument an air of scientific authority and inevitability" that "seemed to banish any possibility of disagreement."

Then — as now, regarding climate change — respect for science was said to require reverential suspension of skepticism about scientific hypotheses. Time magazine's story about "The Limits to Growth" exemplified the media's frisson of hysteria:

"The furnaces of Pittsburgh are cold; the assembly lines of Detroit are still. In Los Angeles, a few gaunt survivors of a plague desperately till freeway center strips ... Fantastic? No, only grim inevitability if society continues its present dedication to growth and 'progress.'"

The modelers examined 19 commodities and said 12 would be gone long before now — aluminum, copper, gold, lead, mercury, molybdenum, natural gas, oil, silver, tin, tungsten and zinc. Lomborg says:

Technological innovations have replaced mercury in batteries, dental fillings and thermometers, mercury consumption is down 98 percent and its price was down 90 percent by 2000.

Since 1970, when gold reserves were estimated at 10,980 tons, 81,410 tons have been mined and estimated reserves are 51,000 tons.

Since 1970, when known reserves of copper were 280 million tons, about 400 million tons have been produced globally and reserves are estimated at almost 700 million tons.

Aluminum consumption has increased 16-fold since 1950, the world has consumed four times the 1950 known reserves, and known reserves could sustain current consumption for 177 years. Potential U.S. gas resources have doubled in the last six years. And so on.

The modelers missed something — human ingenuity in discovering, extracting and innovating. Which did not just appear after 1972.

Aluminum, Lomborg writes, is one of earth's most common metals. But until the 1886 invention of the Hall-Heroult process, it was so difficult and expensive to extract that "Napoleon III had bars of aluminum exhibited alongside the French crown jewels, and he gave his honored guests aluminum forks and spoons while lesser visitors had to make do with gold utensils."

Forty years after "The Limits to Growth" imparted momentum to environmentalism, that impulse now is often reduced to children indoctrinated to "reduce, reuse, and recycle." Lomborg calls recycling "a feel-good gesture that provides little environmental benefit at a significant cost."

He says "we pay tribute to the pagan god of token environmentalism by spending countless hours sorting, storing and collecting used paper, which, when combined with government subsidies, yields slightly lower-quality paper in order to secure a resource" — forests — "that was never threatened in the first place."

In 1980, economist Julian Simon made a wager in the form of a complex futures contract. He bet Paul Ehrlich (whose 1968 book "The Population Bomb" predicted "hundreds of millions of people" would starve to death in the 1970s as population growth swamped agricultural production) that by 1990 the price of any five commodities Ehrlich and his advisers picked would be lower than in 1980. Ehrlich's group picked five metals. All were cheaper in 1990.

The bet cost Ehrlich $576.07. But that year he was awarded a $345,000 MacArthur Foundation "genius" grant and half of the $240,000 Crafoord Prize for ecological virtue. One of Ehrlich's advisers, John Holdren, is Barack Obama's science adviser.

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   Much of the problem in this article lies with the public understanding of the term... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 1:00:25 PM


Its use and meaning is somewhat revealed in the statement "Aluminum consumption has increased 16-fold since 1950, the world has consumed four times the 1950 known reserves, and known reserves could sustain current consumption for 177 years."

The keyword being "known".

"Reserves" in the metals and minerals industry is used to quantify known, that is "proven", amounts of metals and minerals. "Reserves" is in no manner of speaking an estimate of what quantity may or may not exist on the planet.

While no one would argue that there are no limits to how much of a given element might exist on the planet, environmentalists would use the term "reserves" to place limits on the quatities when nothing could be further from the truth.

Let's face it, seven tenths of the planet is covered by some very deep water. There is no reason to believe that the same elements we find on dry land doesn't also exist beneath the water. In fact exploration beneath these waters so far have proven that these elements do indeed exist there and we as humans have thus far only explored what amounts to be standing up to our ankles deep in those waters.

In other words... we have barely scratched around on the surface of this planet.


   American ingenuity was the demise of the peak oil theory from Chawbacon  8/19/2012 1:20:54 PM
Happened in the past decade, there were several very convincing books written, that said " peak oil " was upon us.

But this Texas oil man named George Mitchell, and his small company , Mitchell Energy, would not give up on finding the secret to unlocking hydrocarbons from tight shale formations.

And he kept using horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing in the Barnett Shale under Ft Worth , TX, till they figured it out, and the industry has now found large amounts of oil and nat gas in the lower 48, that no one ever dreamed could be produced.

The search now has extended globally and they've found these same shale formations all over the world.

All to the consternation of those who are trying to save the planet from CO2 emissions. But that's for another post in another day.

But if Peak Oil ever occurs, it will be waaay out into the future. When geologist, Dr. M. K. Hubbert, arrived at this theory of peak oil in the 1950's, he forgot to take into account American ingenuity and technological innovation.

   I remember you Chawbacon.... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 1:49:14 PM

as being the biggest proponent of "peak oil" in arguements right here on the BFHP not so long ago in the very recent past. Even chiding me on how ignorant I was in regard to shale oils, everything from Kerogen in the Rockies to the Bakken formations.

I find your newly found rejection of the peak oil theories of Dr Hubbert... hillarious. Apparently you forgot to take into account American ingenuity and technological innovation as well.

Gridleak (Daniel Engineering and Construction mechanical engineer... Union 76 Shale Oil Project, processing and storage facilities, Parachute, Colorado, '81/'82)

   You're Colorado shale , is not the same shale, you don't get it from Chawbacon  8/19/2012 2:24:35 PM
  Entirely different. Those shale formations in the Rocky Mountains, are produced by injecting heated water through the shale formation. And they are located near the surface.

The tight shale formations that George Mitchell produced from , can also be produced through conventional techniques, but they don't produce for very long, which is why they are horizontally drilled and hydraulically fractured.

You did not get that then, and evidently , you still don't. Its not the same.

Yeah, I can see why you find me hilarious, because you still don't know the difference.

Here , from Wikipedia, describes your oil shale ...


See also: TOSCO II process

The pilot stage of the project consisted of underground room-and-pillar type oil shale mine and aboveground shale oil pilot plant with input capacity of 1,000 ton of oil shale per day which used TOSCO II retort a horizontal rotating kiln-type retort classified as a hot recycled solids technology.[5][12] Mining was conducted in a 60 ft (18 m)-thick portion of the Mahogany Zone in the Parachute Creek Member of the Green River Formation at depths of 860 ft (260 m) and 600 ft (180 m) by a one-bench system. Pillar dimensions were 58 ft (18 m) by 58 ft (18 m) and rooms were 55 ft (17 m) wide.[9]

The planned commercial scale plant was to contain six TOSCO II retorts with total input capacity of 66,000 ton of oil shale per day. The proposed plant was to produce about 46,000 bbl (7,300 m3) of shale oil per day.[5] The project was also to consists of shale oil upgrading plant for hydrogen treating to remove nitrogen and sulfur compounds. This plant was scheduled to produce about 17 million barrels (2,700 t) of premium petroleum products, 52,000 long ton of sulfur, and 41,000 long tons of ammonia per year.[13] At the moment of cancellation the estimated costs would exceed $5.5 billion in then-year dollars or about $10 billion in 2005 dollars.[3]


And yes, I bought into the peak oil theory, to a degree. I always believed in " political " peak oil, meaning that the parts of the world where large oil reserves remained, were inaccessible due to , or tied up with, geopolitics.

Evidently, you did not get that either.

And that still remains true, not as much from a geopolitical standpoint, but from the standpoint of domestic politics. The envirowackos are gonna stop production of oil that is produced by hydraulic fracturing, if our politicians allow it.

Other believers in peak oil, include T Boone Pickens, so I'm in good company. And T Boone still believes , he does not think oil production will keep up with oil demand globally, even with the addition of tight shale plays.

I can see why you joined the military in 1970, you don't listen and no one can tell you anything.

   Limits to Growth from Jeff Hahn  8/19/2012 2:35:01 PM
I was in college at the time and the Limits to Growth was a text in my class on Population Problems. There is no doubt that the specific predictions of the Limits to Growth were wrong. They were based on the best available data of the day and the best computer models. But, the resulting predictions were, as it turns out, way too pessimistic.

However, their basic theoretical model still holds. That models starts with Population. Right now, the world's population doubles every 45 years. So, in 45 years, we will need to feed twice as many people as today. Assuming that we can feed them, these additional 7 billion people will, no doubt, want some decent standard of living. So, they will need jobs in order to buy the goods and services they desire. So, we will need twice as much industry to produce the food, as well as the material goods for these people. Twice as much industry means using more resources, both renewable and non-renewable. And, the additional use of resources means additional pollution.

In my mind, it's the latter part where the model goes astray. Increasingly, we are producing more goods with less industry, using fewer or resources or finding additional resources that we didn't know we had in 1972. And, we have been successful in cleaning up the most serious forms of pollution and learning how to reduce pollution from existing sources.

However, the basic model of more population requiring more food and more industry to produce both goods and jobs still holds.

Of course, the often overlooked aspect of population growth is that it does not occur uniformly across all countries. Those 3rd world countries who can least afford more children are the countries with the highest levels of growth. Much of their rapid growth is due to our humanitarianism...giving 3rd world countries modern medicine. Throughout our pre-industrial era, we had both high birth rates, but also high death rates. So, our population grew very slowly over-time. As we industrialized, social pressures caused us to want fewer children. So, as our death rates dropped due to modern medicine, so did our birth rates. However, current 3rd world countries still have high -pre-industrial birth rates, but their death rates are much lower, due to our exporting to them modern medicine and knowledge of public health practices. The result is that many of these 3rd world countries have astronomical rates of population growth...and they can not adequately feed the people they have now.

So, don't completely discount the issues raised by the Limits to Growth. Yes, their specific predictions may have been way too pessimistic, but the central issues they raised regarding how population growth was tied into other aspects of social and economic conditions still holds.

Jeff Hahn

   BTW, your Green River project will never be produced from Chawbacon  8/19/2012 2:37:36 PM
 Far too many environmental concerns, from the amount of water needed to heat the shale, to leveling the Rocky Mountains.

And the price of oil will have to rise even higher before it could be feasible. Its not competitive.

That's the reason it was shut down in 1982 and will never be re-opened.

   I always hate bringing up this topic because even sane people think you are for wanton waste of our resources. from Wackoman  8/19/2012 3:28:52 PM

Nothing could be further from the truth in my case. I recycle. Hell I would own an electric car if they could make one that could tow the boat and not burn my house down.

My problem is that the enviros always control the conservation and while doing so they scare the hell out of folks and make everything I need to live on cost more including Zoom plastics.

I like when someone calls bullchit on them kinda like George did this morning.

Edited 8/19/2012 3:29:44 PM

   Wacko, that's like the choice the enviros give you from Chawbacon  8/19/2012 3:53:05 PM
What do you want , oil/gas production from hydraulic fracturing or clean drinking water ?

Well, guess what, we can have both. And we have had both for the past 60 years.

We can also work to reduce CO2 emissions, without driving up the cost of all forms of energy and keeping our economy from growing.

If it were feasible, I'd drive an electric car also. Except at the present time an electric car = coal car , or nat gas car, so I don't really see the benefit.

And a Chevy Volt still is not economically feasible when compared to a Honda Civic. The price I pay for gasoline over electricity is not great enough, to readily recoup the price diff in the two cars, even with the rebate from the Fed Govt to buy the Volt.

   No duh! Really Chawbacon?... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 4:13:42 PM

The Shale deposits containing Kerogen in Colorado are different than the Bakken shale formations?

What a brilliant mind you have.

And to prove it you post a cut and paste from Wikipedia about oil shale that I could have written. Here's a clue Chawbacon... I didn't just read about it and cut and paste something about it like yourself... I was there. I was an engineer for the company that built the Parachute Creek project. And you presume to educate me what it was or wasn't? Talk about your know it alls who can't be told anything, your picture can be found next to the definition.

Allow me to show you just what you know without your having to look something up on Wikipedia.

The Colony Oil Shale project that you cut and pasted had nothing to do with the oil shale project that I mentioned above. The Colony Oil Shale project was most notably Exxon as noted in your cut and paste. I was on the Unocal (Union 76) project in the same area. It not only produced kerogen after the Colony project was shutdown in '82, but it continued to do so until 1991.

Talk about a comprehension disability. I mean... you can't even get the correct project when it is given to you in my post to do a wiki cut and paste. And again, you are gonna tell me there is a difference in shales? No duh!...


   There is a difference from Chawbacon  8/19/2012 4:24:23 PM

I've been nice to you bud, but you're clueless, and you worked on the fricken project .................. good grief.



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For the scientific-technical journal, see Oil Shale (journal).

Not to be confused with Shale oil or Tight oil.

Oil shale Sedimentary rock

Oil shale, also known as kerogen shale, is an organic-rich fine-grained sedimentary rock containing kerogen (a solid mixture of organic chemical compounds) from which liquid hydrocarbons called shale oil (not to be confused with tight oil—crude oil occurring naturally in shales) can be produced. Shale oil is a substitute for conventional crude oil; however, extracting shale oil from oil shale is more costly than the production of conventional crude oil both financially and in terms of its environmental impact.[1][2] Deposits of oil shale occur around the world, including major deposits in the United States of America. Estimates of global deposits range from 2.8 to 3.3 trillion barrels (450×109 to 520×109 m3) of recoverable oil.[2][3][4][5]

Heating oil shale to a sufficiently high temperature causes the chemical process of pyrolysis to yield a vapor. Upon cooling the vapor, the liquid shale oil—an unconventional oil—is separated from combustible oil-shale gas (the term shale gas can also refer to gas occurring naturally in shales). Oil shale can also be burnt directly in furnaces as a low-grade fuel for power generation and district heating or used as a raw material in chemical and construction-materials processing.[2][6]

Oil shale gains attention as a potential abundant source of oil whenever the price of crude oil rises.[7][8] At the same time, oil-shale mining and processing raise a number of environmental concerns, such as land use, waste disposal, water use, waste-water management, greenhouse-gas emissions and air pollution.[9][10] Estonia and China have well-established oil shale industries, and Brazil, Germany, Russia also utilize oil shale.[2]

Oil shales differ from oil-bearing shales, shale deposits which contain petroleum (tight oil) that is sometimes produced from drilled wells. Examples of oil-bearing shales are the Bakken Formation, Pierre Shale, Niobrara Formation, and Eagle Ford Formation.

   Key sentences from above, from Chawbacon  8/19/2012 4:27:24 PM
" Not to be confused with Shale oil or Tight oil. "

" Oil shales differ from oil-bearing shales, shale deposits which contain petroleum (tight oil) that is sometimes produced from drilled wells.

Examples of oil-bearing shales are the Bakken Formation, Pierre Shale, Niobrara Formation, and Eagle Ford Formation. "

   What part of... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 4:28:41 PM

"No duh!", didn't you understand?


   And if you to try to claim now from Chawbacon  8/19/2012 4:31:09 PM
That at one time , you were speaking of both the Green River project and the Bakken ..........

Then you a fricken liar.

You were trying to tell me about these oil shales in Colorado, and you were clueless about tight oil shales.

Not gonna sit back and let you revise what was said.

Take a hike.

   Oh I'm not gonna try and tell you anything like that... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 4:45:12 PM

Not again. I have determined that one cannot tell anything to someone like yourself who has lost their mind to the point of being rabid. I have already tried to point out to you both now and before, too many times, that I have long understood the differences between the Bakken shale and Shale Oil by informing you that I was an engineer on the Colorado Shale Oil project... but in your rush to be maniacal you just never got and still don't get it.

Rant on. Maybe you can find something else you know nothing about except which you read to cut and paste.


   No you did not from Chawbacon  8/19/2012 5:01:41 PM
A couple years ago, I posted a newspaper article about George Mitchell, and this new innovation in producing nat gas from shale formations using horizontal drilling and hyd fracing.

And you told me that was nothing new, that you , Gridleak had worked on shale rock projects in Colorado.

You said we had all this oil in these shale rocks in Colorado.

I tried to explain to you, that these new shale plays were not the same.

You would not accept that, cause by gawwd, you worked on shale rock project in Colorado.

Stubborn ole fool, what you are.

And since you a big daddy moderator here, why don't you search the archives for that conversation ? I'm sure you can find it, if you wanted to.

You refused to listen, because you worked on the shale rock project in Colorado.

   let's make this a 3 way pizzing contest from Beartrap   8/19/2012 5:04:29 PM
the real problem is that the oil companies are gouging the american public...with the volume of gasoline produced,it oughta be a dollar a gallon or less and would be if we had competition in the marketplace....
oil companies were filthy rich when gas was less than a dollar a gallon and now everybody connected to the oil industry is obscenely rich.....
fire away....

   Moderator?... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 5:15:37 PM

Is that another one of your rabid dreams?

What I told you was that both horizontal drilling and fracking had been used for many years. Look up Zero Hour Bomb Company. Now days they are famous for making fishing equipment. You may know them as Zebco. However, in their original incarnation they made bombs for fracking wells.

Hydro-fracking was just a new way of fracking.

You didn't get it then... you still don't get it now.


   I hate to tell ya this Trap, but the price of gasoline is goin higher from Chawbacon  8/19/2012 5:18:35 PM
As will the price of all energy produced from fossil fuels.

It will happen a lot faster if Obama wins in November , but its gonna happen, either way.

Cause the " climate change deniers " are losing the pissing contest with the " global warmers " .

So deal with it , you gonna pay at the pump.

   Hydraulic fracturing has been in use since 1947 from Chawbacon  8/19/2012 5:21:13 PM
And I'm well aware of Zebco's past.

Thanks for the lesson though, it was really enlightening.

   BTW, Grid from Chawbacon  8/19/2012 5:23:27 PM
Exactly when was that , that you worked on the shale rock project in Colorado ?

Its been a while since you've told me that story.

You did work on a shale rock project in Colorado, right ?

   Doesn't matter at this point... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 6:06:04 PM

You didn't get it when I told you before and you still don't get it now. <--- have I told you that yet?


   wow! I am having a flashback! from RJR  8/19/2012 6:12:57 PM
thanks guys!

   Hang on there Beartrap... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 6:24:20 PM

I'm pretty sure Chawbacon is reading up on your query on Wikipedia even as we speak and will be along shortly to post a cut and paste by some guy with a doctorate degree shortly. He will of course agree with it completely and then scoff at it a couple of years down the road when it is proven false saying the lunatic obviously hadn't taken into account things like... you know... advances in technology and other weird stuff. Of course, he'll then go off on a cut and paste diatribe, but it is kinda fun watching him go ballistic. Cruel?... maybe, but fun.

Gridleak (once poked a rattle snake with a stick)

   Dang it RJR... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 6:28:41 PM

I thought I smelled popcorn cookin'. Share?


   first batch is gone Grid from RJR  8/19/2012 6:45:07 PM
but I just another big batch on. When it gets done popping there will be extra butter and salt on it. It will be next to the stove, help yourself.

   Ohhh Nooooo !!! from Chawbacon  8/19/2012 6:57:46 PM
I've suffered ridicule and abuse on " Other Topics " board of the Bass Fishing Home Page.

I fell for their dirty tricks again !! ( slapping my head )

How will I ever live this embarrassment down ?

You fellers just tooooo smart fer me.

   Yum!... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 7:01:35 PM

I like all popcorn.

I like hot popcorn. Cold popcorn. Fresh popcorn. Even stale popcorn, heh haha. I like popcorn plain with no butter. With butter. With Salt. Without salt.

As a kid I worked for several years for a local theater chain. First smokin' hot kettle of popcorn of the day was mine. We got all the free popcorn we wanted. I was in heaven. My mother also worked for a furniture store. They popped fresh popcorn in the store for the customers and crew. When my father and I would go downtown to pick up my mother from work I would always get a bag of corn. Sometimes I would eat maybe half the bag before we got back home and I would close the bag and leave it in the car. I might find it days later... and would eat it too.

I tell ya, I like popcorn. The aroma of fresh popcorn is rivaled only by the aroma of fresh bread baking.

I love bread...


   hey LD from RJR  8/19/2012 7:02:11 PM
plenty of popcorn for you also.

   Embarrassment?... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 7:12:16 PM

Heck, I hadn't even considered the aspect of your embarrassment. Let me think about that one... and I'll get back to you. I hadn't actually considered that you had enough intelligence to be embarrassed.


   Ditto JR. from hvacstar  8/19/2012 7:14:44 PM
The difference between Conservatives and Liberals is that a Lib supports any and every loopy and insane premise of their ilk as long as it contradicts Conservatives. No matter what hoop they have to jump. "African-Americans" & Union members represent the evidence of that.

Conservatives, on the other hand, will ring the bell, charge into the center of the ring and whale away at any and all of their peers if they even disagree on even a minor point.

I submit : Stonewall Jackson, AP Hill; DH Hill; James Longstreet; Jefferson Davis, ect. RE Lee wasn't only the greatest battlefield Commander of all time, he was also the greatest administrator of all time.

Stonecold proof of why we (Conservatives) are right, and the libs will NEVER be.

God bless them. Grid, Lynn and Beartrap. If this page were a Church, then they would Elders.

Pass the popcorn JR.

   Got ya one better Grid. Hell, a hundred times better. My 16 year old girlfriend's job was at the local downtown (actually BOTH) movie houses. from hvacstar  8/19/2012 7:37:41 PM
 Eat your hearts out guys!

Yep. I watched ""The Godfather", " American Graffiti", "Dirty Harry", "Diamonds are Forever" over and over. For Free! Among countless other flicks.

And, oh by the way, She was, well, She was, well, the rare combo of intellectual and physically ENDOWED!

She was also a very gifted painter and artist. She later worked for National Geographic as an illustrator. God Bless you DB!

   I rather enjoyed this....reflections of the old days... from ButchT  8/19/2012 7:38:19 PM
And I have absolutely no other comment.... LOL

   ok, I give from RJR  8/19/2012 7:41:56 PM
I sent Karen to the store for more popcorn. Come and get it, in about 15 minutes.

   What Butch said this is GREAT, and RJR pass the from DaveT  8/19/2012 8:03:23 PM

   And seriously folks...it is educational... from ButchT  8/19/2012 8:34:15 PM
What has always been neat about these "in depth confrontations" from people that are obviously in the know. I've always enjoyed that aspect of BFHP,,,opportunity to learn...never gets old. And you never know when it's going to come... :)

   Dang from 5keepers  8/19/2012 8:46:40 PM
Wacko just dang!
To quote SA....what?

   Umm hvacstar, why does it have to be a hundred times better... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 8:56:24 PM

wouldn't "even better" be enough. And what's nescessarily better at all for that matter?

We got to see all the movies free also... at 22 theaters. Got all the free popcorn we could eat and free cokes we could drink. We knew all of the managers and had the run of the places... a theater full of chicks every weekend... and access to the closed to the public balcony... <--- "closed to the public balcony".

I had a key to the theater, the Redskin, behind my house and I used to go over there weekday evenings and before the theater opened on weekends, patch my Sears Silvertone Electric Guitar into the theater sound system from the projection booth, run my patch cord down the steps so I could sit in the balcony and wail away on that sucker.

A hundred times better... naaaaaaaahhhhhhhh. I'll give you "even better" just to make you happy, but a hundred times better? No way. I mean... all that and money too? Yeah... no.

Gridleak (needs more popcorn)

   Here is a photo of the old Redskin Theater, well beyond its old glory days... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 9:22:16 PM


This photo was taken by a fellow by the name of Don Lewis. It is a great shot of the old theater that I grew up behind though taken likely some 35 or so years later. It has now long since been torn down. The shopping strip center that was attached to it (you can see where the roof line of the strip center was on the side of the theater) had been gone for some number of years even before this photo was taken.

   Welp, my belly's full of popcorn... from Gridleak  8/19/2012 9:30:07 PM

and it is past my bedtime. Gotta be to work early in the mornin'.

It's been fun... thanks for the chuckles and the corn. Night y'all.


   Hey hvac, aren't you a little old to be from Spinny  8/20/2012 9:41:11 AM
dating a 16 year old?


   DB = Debby Boone? star is a Wascally Wabbit ....nm from Wackoman  8/20/2012 11:54:45 AM


   My 16 year old girlfriend's? Huh? from GITTHENET  8/20/2012 12:06:23 PM
Dang HVAC! You've got a 16 year old girlfriend?

   Grid. My fault. l should have known better. In the future, I will include a LOL so you won't be confused or insulted. But, not a total loss. I drew you and Spinny into the same orbit. "Birds of a feather" if you will.... from hvacstar  8/20/2012 5:35:52 PM
Gitty. Yep, she was 16. I was 17. We are Old North State Brothers. FYI. The HEELRAISER passed away a few weeks ago. May he rest in peace. In Sky Blue.

Damn Wack! You were close ole boy. Her name was DEBBIE. But she was not a Boone. But she WAS a fox.

   DB=... from Gridleak  8/20/2012 8:35:37 PM


Don Barone is prob'ly closer, heh haha.




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