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SUBJECT: Public Notice, wetlands mitigation, dredging, (needs our attention)
Submitted by FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS on
Public Notice
U.S. Army Corps Permit Application No: 23863
Of Engineers Date Issued: 22 July 2005
Galveston District Comments Due: 22 August 2005
U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, GALVESTON DISTRICT
AND
TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
PURPOSE OF PUBLIC NOTICE: To inform you of a proposal for work in which you might be
interested. It is also to solicit your comments and information to better enable us to make a reasonable
decision on factors affecting the public interest. We hope you will participate in this process.
AUTHORITY: This application will be reviewed pursuant to Section 10 of the Rivers and Harbors Act of
1899 and Section 404 of the Clean Water Act.
APPLICANT: Centex Destination Properties
24620 San Luis Pass Rd.
Galveston, Texas 77554-6616
AGENT: Vinson & Elkins, L.L.P.
1001 Fannin Street, Suite 2300
Houston, Texas 77002-6710
Telephone: 713-758-4598
POC: Sharon Mattox
LOCATION: The project is located in West Galveston Bay and adjacent wetlands, near the west end of
Galveston Island, approximately 1.7 miles east of San Luis Pass, Galveston County, Texas. The project
can be located on the U.S.G.S. quadrangle map entitled: San Luis Pass, Texas. Approximate UTM
Coordinates in NAD 27 (meters) for the project site: Zone 15; Easting: 296143; Northing: 3222242.
Approximate UTM Coordinates in NAD 27 (meters) for the mitigation site: Zone 15; Easting: 296143;
Northing: 3222242.
PROJECT DESCRIPTION: The applicant proposes to dredge and fill wetlands adjacent to West
Galveston Bay for the construction of a 12-acre, 300+ slip marina with floating docks, access channel,
kayak trail, ancillary development, and residential housing. The project includes the fill of 3.03 acres of
wetlands and the dredging of 10.02 acres of wetlands and unvegetated bay bottom. Details of the habitat
types impacted are depicted in the project plans.
Permit Application 23863 2
The access channel will be dredged to a depth of –6 feet mean low tide plus a requested 2 feet of advanced
maintenance dredge depth. The dredged material from the marina and channel will first be used onsite to
raise the grade of the developed project site. Future maintenance dredged material will be temporarily
placed in a dedicated leveed placement area, dewatered, and hauled to another upland location or used for
beach nourishment if the material is suitable. The applicant proposes to set aside in preservation 39.51
acres of wetlands and uplands within the project area and an additional 29.97 acres composed of wetlands
and uplands near San Luis Pass. A description of the habitat types and acreages are depicted on the onsite
and offsite mitigation plan sheets.
NOTES: This public notice is being issued based on information furnished by the applicant. This
information has not been verified. The applicant’s plans are enclosed in 10 sheets.
A preliminary review of this application indicates that an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) is not
required. Since permit assessment is a continuing process, this preliminary determination of EIS requirement
will be changed if data or information brought forth in the coordination process is of a significant nature.
Our evaluation will also follow the guidelines published by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
pursuant to Section 404 (b)(1) of the Clean Water Act (CWA).
OTHER AGENCY AUTHORIZATIONS: Texas Coastal Zone consistency certification is required.
The applicant has stated that the project is consistent with the Texas Coastal Management Program goals
and policies and will be conducted in a manner consistent with said Program.
This project would result in a direct impact of greater than three acres of waters of the state or 1500 linear
feet of streams (or a combination of the two is above the threshold), and as such would not fulfill Tier I
criteria for the project. Therefore, Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) certification is
required. Concurrent with U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (Corps) processing of this application, the
TCEQ is reviewing this application under Section 401 of the CWA and in accordance with Title 30, Texas
Administrative Code Section 279.1-13 to determine if the work would comply with State water quality
standards. By virtue of an agreement between the Corps and the TCEQ, this public notice is also issued for
the purpose of advising all known interested persons that there is pending before the TCEQ a decision on
water quality certification under such act. Any comments concerning this application may be submitted to
the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, 401 Coordinator, MSC-150, P.O. Box 13087, Austin,
Texas 78711-3087. The public comment period extends 30 days from the date of publication of this
notice. A copy of the public notice with a description of work is made available for review in the TCEQ’s
Austin office. The complete application may be reviewed in the Corps office listed in this public notice. The
TCEQ may conduct a public hearing to consider all comments concerning water quality if requested in
writing. A request for a public hearing must contain the following information: the name, mailing address,
application number, or other recognizable reference to the application; a brief description of the interest of
the requester, or of persons represented by the requester; and a brief description of how the application, if
granted, would adversely affect such interest.
Permit Application 23863 3
NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES: The staff archaeologist has reviewed the latest
published version of the National Register of Historic Places, lists of properties determined eligible, and
other sources of information. The following is current knowledge of the presence or absence of historic
properties and the effects of the undertaking upon these properties:
A historic properties investigation has been conducted within the permit area. No sites
determined eligible for or listed on the National Register of Historic Places are within the
permit area or affected area.
THREATENED AND ENDANGERED SPECIES: Designated critical habitat for the Piping plover
(Charadrius melodus) exists on the Gulf side of the west end of Galveston Island and surveys completed
by the applicant confirm that wintering Piping plovers use the flats within the proposed offsite mitigation
area. The proposed project avoids similar habitat along the shore except for the access channel and
proposed kayak channel. Preliminary indications are that no known threatened and/or endangered species
or their critical habitats are likely to be adversely affected by the proposed work.
ESSENTIAL FISH HABITAT: This notice initiates the Essential Fish Habitat consultation requirements
of the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act. Our initial determination is that the
proposed action would not have a substantial adverse impact on Essential Fish Habitat or Federally
managed fisheries in the Gulf of Mexico. Our final determination relative to project impacts and the need for
mitigation measures is subject to review by and coordination with the National Marine Fisheries Service.
PUBLIC INTEREST REVIEW FACTORS: This application will be reviewed in accordance with 33
CFR 320-330, the Regulatory Programs of the Corps, and other pertinent laws, regulations and executive
orders. The decision whether to issue a permit will be based on an evaluation of the probable impacts,
including cumulative impacts, of the proposed activity on the public interest. That decision will reflect the
national concern for both protection and utilization of important resources. The benefits, which reasonably
may be expected to accrue from the proposal, must be balanced against its reasonably foreseeable
detriments. All factors, which may be relevant to the proposal, will be considered: among those are
conservation, economics, aesthetics, general environmental concerns, wetlands, historic properties, fish and
wildlife values, flood hazards, floodplain values, land use, navigation, shore erosion and accretion,
recreation, water supply and conservation, water quality, energy needs, safety, food and fiber production,
mineral needs and, in general, the needs and welfare of the people.
Permit Application 23863 4
SOLICITATION OF COMMENTS: The Corps is soliciting comments from the public, Federal, State,
and local agencies and officials, Indian tribes, and other interested parties in order to consider and evaluate
the impacts of this proposed activity. Any comments received will be considered by the Corps to determine
whether to issue, modify, condition or deny a permit for this proposal. To make this decision, comments
are used to assess impacts on endangered species, historic properties, water quality, general environmental
effects, and the other public interest factors listed above. Comments are used in the preparation of an
Environmental Impact Assessment and/or an Environmental Impact Statement pursuant to the National
Environmental Policy Act. Comments are also used to determine the need for a public hearing and to
determine the overall public interest of the proposed activity.
This public notice is being distributed to all known interested persons in order to assist in developing facts
upon which a decision by the Corps may be based. For accuracy and completeness of the record, all data
in support of or in opposition to the proposed work should be submitted in writing setting forth sufficient
detail to furnish a clear understanding of the reasons for support or opposition.
PUBLIC HEARING: Prior to the close of the comment period any person may make a written request
for a public hearing setting forth the particular reasons for the request. The District Engineer will determine
whether the issues are substantial and should be considered in the permit decision. If a public hearing is
warranted, all known interested persons will be notified of the time, date, and location.
CLOSE OF COMMENT PERIOD: All comments pertaining to this Public Notice must reach this office
on or before 22 August 2005. Extensions of the comment period may be granted for valid reasons
provided a written request is received by the limiting date. If no comments are received by that date, it
will be considered that there are no objections . Comments and requests for additional information
should be submitted to:
Jeff Hill
Regulatory Branch, CESWG-PE-RE
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
P.O. Box 1229
Galveston, Texas 77553-1229
409-766-3133 Phone
409-766-6301 Fax
DISTRICT ENGINEER
GALVESTON DISTRICT
CORPS OF ENGINEERS
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FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says Yes, it's a long notice! But please read it and take the time to send an email! My comments...
I have fished the pass for close to 20 years now and really feel that the proposed marina project on the west end of Galveston is not in the best interest of our fishery. The hard tidal currents consistently shift the flats and will demand continual dredging of the area. The public notice is wrong in regards to the vegitation issue. Three years back, NOAA in conjuction with the Galveston Bay Foundation planted sea grass beds just west of the old water treatmment plant. Those sea grass beds have thrived and are in good condition today. The dredging of the channel for the marina will cover them with outgoing tides and will not allow for them to maintain sufficent sun light in order to continue to grow. The oil and gas spills from the marina will affect the marine habitat in the area. Officals with USF & W have already told me that it will not be good for the area and that they have scientific data from other studies along west bay where other marinas are located. We all know that this area is very important for spawing and migrations. Flounder runs in the spring and fall could be affected. Trout spawn frequently in the spring time along the Bay Harbour flats and depend on the current wetlands along the pass. Not to mention the redfish spawns that are about to take place. The high tides will pull their larva back into the bays along the pass. This location has to be the absolute worse lcation anyone could even think about putting a marina in. I hope that some of you will take the time to send an email requesting a public hearing with the COE. It has to happen! Hopefully, that will delay this issue long enough to get NOAA, CCA, USF & W, and the Galveston Bay Foundation involved! If not, we are just allowing the developers to continue to destroy our resources along our coast. Please take the time! There is only 4 days left for comments! A simple email will only take you 5-10 minutes!Thank you, Tim Lopas
Ps. It does not matter if you fish there or not! Texan's have to stand together on these kind of issues! In closing, I'm NOT against development! It just needs to be responsible and this my friends is NOT!
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FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says Email information for contatcting the COE and more!
The permit application is posted on the Corps of Engineers website. Click on the links below to go directly to the notice and plans.The Public Notice: http://www.swg.usace.army.mil/reg/notice/PN23863.pdf
Drawing/Plans: http://www.swg.usace.army.mil/reg/notice/23863.pdf
Here is the email address for Jeff Hill at the ACOE. Be sure to state that you want you email comments to be put into public record. Ask for a confirmation on your email. Lorraine
Jeffrey.L.Hill@SWG02.usace.army.mil
Open for public comment until Aug 22.
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kenny (4.226.228.20) from TEXAS says Marina Dredging
Dear Mr. Hill, As a fourth generation Texan and the third generation to grow up camping and fishing at San Luis pass, I urge the Army Corp. to deny a permit to the Centex Corp. for a proposed marina. The West end of Galveston island is in constant change and has been for thousands of years. The shifting shorelines and sandbars are without a doubt the worst possible location for the proposed marina and accompanying wetland mitigation/dredging. This natural pass area is an ecologically fragile nursery area for our recreational and commercial shrimp, crab, and finfish industry, which can only be damaged by dredging causing serious economic damage to these groups. This(dredging) will also kill existing sea grass beds in the pass area, not from just the initial dredging but the constant maintenance dredging required in this hydrologically unstable area. Please consider my remarks before making a decision, and I would also like these remarks entered into the public record.Respectfully Yours,
Kenneth Luce
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FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says Thanks Kenny, and
When sending the emails, please stress the importance of this issue going to a public hearing! Also, is there anyone who has contact with CCA that can encourage them to draft a letter in regards to this issue. It is NOW a conservation issue and I have yet to have a response on this issue from CCA headquarters or the Galveston Bay chapter of CCA...Ive heard that CCA opposed the marina and the effects, but would certainly appreciate a response from them letting me know what their stance is. -
FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says Sample letter that you can copy, paste, revise, fill in, and email please...
(Date)To: Jeff Hill Regulatory Branch, CESWG-PE-RE U.S. Army Corps of Engineers P. O. Box 1229 Galveston, TX 77553-1229
Re: Permit Application Number 23863
Dear Mr. Hill:
I am writing to express my objection to the permit application, 23863, submitted by Centex Destination Properties to fill and dredge wetlands and bay bottom for the purpose of constructing a marina. I also request that these comments be made part of the public record for this application process.
I am very concerned about the impacts on the wetlands dredging / mitigation and how it will affect the current marine habitat and Fishery. Also, the Piping Plovers and Brown Pelicans that are now threatened or endangered will lose vital habitat in the area further affecting their current situation.
In addition, there are currently sea grass beds that are thriving just to the west of the proposed plan that could possible suffer servere damage due to the dredging of the proposed channels. I am encouraging that a complete scientific study be performed on the area and how this marina will impact the fishery and birding habitat.
The Corp of Engineers must consider the compromise of our coastal resource versus the economic impact of this proposal. Too many thousands of acres of wetlands have been mitigated or destroyed over the last two decades along the Texas Coast line. Now, is the time for the Corp to take a stand against coastal development that continues to compromise our coastal resource!
Also, the area in question is adjacent to a vital natural pass. It is a volatile area that could suffer severe damage in the event of a hurricane.
This area should not dredged for a marina. I recommend a public hearing be held to gather additional comment due to the high potential for disaster should a hurricane make landfall near this area of the coast.
Thank you,
(name) (address) (city, TX zip) (phone)
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TxDude (70.245.66.56) from TEXAS says Several days late and a million dollars short...
Guys I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but this is a done deal. This is just the formality to follow legal requirements and placate the masses. The TOBA group was all over this a year ago and they begged for support. Now they are silent. Centex is already selling the lots around the marina! You can see the whole plan online... unfortunately. Now, I hate this as much as you guys but, we won't even make a bump in the road for these kinda of $$$$$$$$. Anybody in the know think I am wrong, I would love to eat crow, but don't think so. -
gater (129.230.241.5) from TEXAS says Tim
I sent the links to Pat Murray and I will see him at the Galveston banquet Saturday.Steve
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FishFinder (70.245.84.70) from TEXAS says TxD & G
TxD, TOBA is still very involved in this, but their primary fight is still and will always be for beach access unless the organization is restructured. Check out their website at www.texasopenbeaches.org Even though, beach access is the primary focus, you will see they have been encouraging the public for some time now to respond to the marina issue. TOBA has also been working with several groups including many professors and scientist to get them to weigh in on this subject. You will also see several threads on the yellow board and the Kayak board that has several thousands hits already! So to say they are now silent is a gross miss-statement. As far as for myself, yes I have been pretty silent after resigning as TOBA's President, but they are in good hands with Tom Brown Galveston Sea Isle resident. Tom and I spoke last night and only hope that people will take the time to send the emails to the CORP. Hopefully, not everyone will just take the (it's a done deal approach) in regards to our coastal resources when development is involved! At some point all of the ORGS have to come together in order to make a difference. G, as far as CCA goes! Pat Murray and I spoke in depth about the marina issue when I was fighting for beach access and he knew it was on the outer depths of the radar. I hope CCA has been monitoring the progress and have already sent in a statement to the COE. I would encourage you to use your influence via your email list to encourage your chapter members to do so ASAP.Thank you, Tim Lopas
Ps. I misspelled severe (server) in the sample letter!
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FishFinder (70.245.84.70) from TEXAS says Steve,
I may be mistaken about the Galveston Chapter CCA President? I used the contact information from the last currents newsletter? I copied Pat on the email and neither were returned as undeliverable.Tim
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Sak (72.16.3.164) from TEXAS says Notice
"NOTES: This public notice is being issued based on information furnished by the applicant. This information has not been verified. The applicant’s plans are enclosed in 10 sheets." I think in the very least COE should review & verify the application information. I've heard that big companies will sometimes lie to get what they want. Regards, SAK -
Ranger Bob from TEXAS says Check out the Kayak plans.
The barriers as well as the no motor boat zone will be in violation of current law. The whole thing sucks and will lead to dredging of a channel in the pass itself.The last time thay tried to close this area, they used the Piping Plover as an excuse and gave example of this area as a nesting habitat.
Thanks Tim for the heads up, the Pass is a historic area to all that have grown up here and fished the coast.
Ranger Bob
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FishFinder (70.245.84.70) from TEXAS says Sak & Rb
Sak,You are wright about the information provided. They state no vegitation in the area! Wrong, there are sea grass beds at the pass near the prop[osed project! The COE has been out to ensure the wetlands deleniations were correct for the development phase. But I'm not sure how much time they will dedicate to the marina issue unless we send those letters and force it into a public hearing and demand that an environmental impact study be performed prior to the project!
RB,
Ironic they used the birds against us saying that vehicles were a threat to their habitat lamo...Now, they are planning on developing over 50% of the land, have already mitigated inland wetlands, and now they want to mitigate / dredge more wetlands! WHO is really compromising our resource? Heck after they rape our resource, destroy our wetlands, and compromise our marine habitat who do you think is going to foot the cost in insurance after the Hurricane comes? Which unfortunately, it will one day!
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Shallowist (63.157.184.112) from TEXAS says SLP development
I hate to see what they've already done and what they have planned but it's just like the rest of the beach and west end development. JUST ONE BIG BLOW AND IT'S ALL DONE. What's sad is that we'll be watching a perpetual redredge of any access chanel from the constant silting. The continuous sound of high dollar rigs running aground on all that hard sand will be slightly amusing. -
fed up (64.12.116.6) from TEXAS says the corp
Been to corp meetings and this is only a formal way of accepting the plan. When nelson wanted the channel dredge from smith point to willies island i went to the hearings. They could have cared less about the fishery or shell that the dredging would take. the dredging took place and an excellent place to fish was almost destroyed. the channel is already silting in.What a waste of taxpayers money. If addressing the corp to explain to them the enviromental aspect of the project talk to them in the terms they know $$$$ -
FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says Interesting info
So far, we have Galveston Bay Foundation and the Sierra Club on our side in regards to this conservation issue. Right now, I'm still awaiting the NMFS (NOAA) response, but I'm sure they will also object to the permit. A NOAA employee who is now head of NMFS in Florida actually participated in the sea grass plantings at SLP and in other Galveston areas along with the GBF. I have not had any time to contact TP & W... Maybe Lance or anyone who knows him could help with them? We are still working on US F & W whom we have spoken to about the issue in the past. That should happen on Monday the day of the deadline. Last but not least, CCA Texas has yet to respond to either emails or phone calls. I hate to pressure CCA on wmi but c'mon guys..Let your members know your stance! I have been involved and or have seen all of the correspondence mentioned above and will glady forward it to anyone who may question it. I think we may have a good chance with all the above orgs mentioned involved!Please take some time this weekend to send your comments to the COE!
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Ranger Bob from TEXAS says CCA ! Laughing faces all over the board.
you need to check and see how much CenTex paid them before you waste your time.Tim get real they have no interest in the fishermen just the fishermens money.
Come on CCA prove me wrong.
Ranger Bob
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jim smarr (67.9.165.4) from TEXAS says Sea Grass Beds and The Pass
Tim I am sending TOBA the underwater video of the grass beds in the area. TPWD seems to think this was a failure. TPWD Coastal Fisheries claims planting sea grass does not work in Texas. To destroy the grass beds to build is against all conservation measures.RFA Texas is not willing to support the destruction.jim smarr rfa texas jimsmarr@austin.rr.com 361-463-1558
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Mixed Up (207.218.212.2) from On the sidelines says Ranger Bob
Are you saying CCA took money under the table to keep out of the matter? Go ahead and share with us. Don't hold back now. -
Ranger Bob from TEXAS says No
I refer to their donations. You may be able to gage their interest.Ranger Bob
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FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says tpw
Who said it was a failure at TP & W? I checked them out this past May and I doubt the sea grass beds failed over the past 2 months? They have been growing for over three years now. Not at a very fast pace, but they have maintained! -
Gary (63.163.14.9) from TEXAS says Slp
The last time thay tried to close this area, they used the Piping Plover as an excuse and gave example of this area as a nesting habitat.I remember that RB.
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HookMeUp (12.183.158.103) from TEXAS says CCA help???? get real
CCA texas is nothing but the largest fish kill tourney in the state that puts money in somones pocket and the outstanding ppl on the boards another place 2 show off there rank in society... -
FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says Let's get back to the real issue...My bad for even bringing CCA up... Galveston daily news today!
Comments roll in on marina proposalBy Kelly Hawes The Daily News
Published August 21, 2005
GALVESTON — Susan Fennewald is hoping the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will block a developer’s bid to build a 12-acre marina on the western tip of Galveston Island.
“I’m opposed to it on two grounds,” she said. “First, people shouldn’t be digging big holes in Galveston, and this would be a very big hole. Second, you can’t put 300 boats somewhere and not affect the wetlands.”
Karoline Vogt, the project manager for Centex Destination Properties, said the developers had been working with environmental groups and others trying to address such concerns.
“Our goal was to find a way to do what we needed to do with the least possible impact on the environment,” she said.
Vogt said Centex prided itself on meeting or exceeding even optional standards related to the environment.
The corps of engineers will accept comments until Monday on the application filed by Centex.
Michele Thomas of the corps’ public affairs staff said the volume of comments had picked up in recent days so that by Friday morning, the office had received about 30.
“We’re still getting some today,” she said, “and of course, we’ll get more right up to the deadline on Monday.”
She said the office had received a request for a public hearing on the project but had not decided whether to grant one. Before making that decision, she said, the corps will forward the public comments to Centex, which will have 30 days to respond.
“The corps of engineers is the agency with the power to do something,” Fennewald said. “If anyone is concerned, this is the time to say so.”
Centex proposes to dredge and fill wetlands near Galveston Bay to build a 12-acre marina with floating docks, an access channel and related development. The marina, made up of more than 300 slips, would include a retail center for Pointe West, a $500 million resort community of as many as 1,200 homes.
Fennewald believes Centex will have no problem selling the development even without a marina.
“It’ll be a quiet, peaceful place,” she said. “If you go down there on a Sunday morning, it’s just beautiful, so I can see why people would buy there.”
Vogt disagreed.
“I would say the marina is a very important part of the project,” she said. “We’ve seen a high demand for boating activities.”
She agreed, though, that the development was selling.
“The response to Pointe West has been huge,” she said. “Everything that we’ve released so far has been sold.”
She said the development had 25 cottages and 81 condominiums under construction. The company has also sold 180 private lots where the buyers will build homes of their own design.
Folks likely will be using those vacation homes, she said, by next summer.
As to how soon Centex might begin building the marina, Vogt said she couldn’t say.
“Until we have a definitive answer from the corps, we really don’t know,” she said.
Fennewald enjoys the area near San Luis Pass for its bird habitat, but she noted that the planned marina would have an impact on fishermen, too.
The project would involve filling slightly more than three acres of wetlands and dredging roughly 10 acres. Plans call for using the dredge material to raise the grade of the proposed site.
To make up for the loss of wetlands, Centex proposes to set aside nearly 40 acres within the project area and another 30 acres near San Luis Pass. In all, it says, more than half of Pointe West’s 950 acres will remain protected and untouched.
In its notice seeking public comment, the corps notes that it is unaware of any adverse effect on endangered species or marine life.
The notice does indicate, though, that the area provides habitat for a migratory bird called the piping plover. According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the Great Lakes population of that bird has been classified as endangered, and the Atlantic Coast and Great Plains populations have been classified as threatened.
The piping plover is a shorebird about 7 inches long with a wingspan of about 15 inches. The birds are light beige on the back and crown and white underneath. They have a black upper tail with a white edge.
Jim Blackburn, an environmental attorney based in Houston, said he was concerned more about the overall impact of Galveston’s development boom than about any single project.
“There’s no question it’ll have an impact,” he said of the Centex proposal. “The bay can survive one marina. What will challenge the bay is how all of these projects add up together.”
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Deadline Approaches
Monday is the deadline for comments on a proposed 12-acre marina at Pointe West, an upscale housing development proposed for the West End of Galveston Island. Comments may be delivered to the Galveston District of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers at 2000 Fort Point Road. The telephone number is (409) 766-3133, and the fax number is (409) 766-6301.
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FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says only 30 comments sent in as of last Friday???
I don't understand why collectively the fishing community can only send in 30 comments over an issue that will affect lower west galveston bay for many years to come if not for ever! Maybe TxDude is right! Most of the people out there cannot take 5 minutes of their day to oppose an issue because they think it's a done deal...30 comments? That's not very good at all! I hope some fingers were key stroking this weekend...Heck, may you can do it while on break this Monday by 5pm close of business! -
Jim Smarr (65.136.41.8) from ALABAMA says Who said sea grass beds didn't work Ranger Bob here is your answer.
The top brass at Coastal Fisheries during sea grass task force meetings Bill "Long Gone” Harvey and his bosses. This happened every time I mentioned planting in the Coastal Bend instead of shutting down areas to motor traffic. TP&WD Coastal Fisheries should be grounds keepers like other sporting venues like baseball they don't burn down the stadium after a world series they just plant new grass as in football. Sport fishing is supporting many coastal communities with there out of town dollars. The restaurants and many other services would be gone without it. The locals get to enjoy the benefits during the week while the weekend warriors are home.Coastal Fisheries declined to have any more sea grass task force meeting since their legal staff informed them they were not being handled according to guidlines of the State. I am just thinking how much money we could have spent planting instead of meeting???????????? Will their regulations be rolled back since the meeting were not up to the legal standard ??????????
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Jim Smarr (65.136.41.8) from ALABAMA says Who said sea grass beds didn't work Ranger Bob here is your answer.
The top brass at Coastal Fisheries during sea grass task force meetings Bill "Long Gone” Harvey and his bosses. This happened every time I mentioned planting in the Coastal Bend instead of shutting down areas to motor traffic. TP&WD Coastal Fisheries should be grounds keepers like other sporting venues like baseball they don't burn down the stadium after a world series they just plant new grass as in football. Sport fishing is supporting many coastal communities with there out of town dollars. The restaurants and many other services would be gone without it. The locals get to enjoy the benefits during the week while the weekend warriors are home.Coastal Fisheries declined to have any more sea grass task force meeting since their legal staff informed them they were not being handled according to guidlines of the State. I am just thinking how much money we could have spent planting instead of meeting???????????? Will their regulations be rolled back since the meeting were not up to the legal standard ??????????
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Ranger Bob from TEXAS says Refresh my memory Jim.
I cant remember that. I know that I have said that there is no grass in Galveston Bay. This year preparing for the Galveston FLW I spent a lot of time on the big and little water and have been genuinely amazed at the spread of grass in the complex.I have seen grass beds that would make Matagorda proud.And I want to see more.Ranger Bob
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Jim Smarr (65.136.40.22) from TEXAS says Ranger Bob
What is it you need refreshed on? lol -
Jim Smarr (65.136.40.22) from TEXAS says Ranger Bob
What is it you need refreshed on? lol -
Ranger Bob from TEXAS says Never mind Jim.
I am going through cigar withdrawls.Ranger Bob
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Jim Smarr (65.142.73.67) from TEXAS says Partagas 50 band size is my problem
Ranger they are hard to give up. -
FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says Gater
So, just what did Pat Murray with CCA say about the issue? Pat, nor David Cummings, and (just as consistently) Luke Giles have yet to respond to phone calls or emails??? -
FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says Rfa
must have not seen my comments on the 2cool thread about putting there money where there mouth is...No, harm meant! Where is RFA National? We need them now... -
jim smarr (65.136.40.255) from TEXAS says Timmy we have been at a called meeting Commissioner Patterson present with the Land Office where have you been cowboy????
Tim, I am amazed at your comment. We at RFA set up a meeting with Jerry Patterson on Texas Beach Access Issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We had most user groups including TOBA the group represented there you weren't there. Tim we had a very productive hour plus meeting in his office with the Comish. We will be having follow up meetings. You are not up to date on TOBA and RFA. I think you should not throw pebbles at a moving train. Tim I am disappointed with your snippy attitude. Shame on you. We at RFA are and have always tried to help. We still have a suit pending over the Matagorda access issue. Money involved or did you forget just because it did not involve your personal fishing spot. chill dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are concerened about all access issues period. We will be trying to move legislation to correct the issues. RFA is a lobbying .org remember.Jim Smarr Texas RFA
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FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says ha,ha
Mr. Smarr,Please tell us exactly what RFA Texas has done for us so far? Your snide remarks is exactly why RFA Texas has not made it yet. The remark about putting your money where your mouth is (is just that)...You talk a good game, but by this time it would seem that RFA national would give you some financial banking to make some things happen? When talking to Galveston Yankee the other night RFA came up! He said, I know you don't like Jim. I then don't told him it's not really that! I applauded all of your efforts and ivolvement and the only thing I thought was wrong with RFA Texas was you and Randy Davis getting on the net and making fools of yourself and RFA Texas. Heck, you just proved me wright again! I pasted my post from 2cool below so those who read it will understand where I'm coming from. The point was to try and get some synergy from all of the groups to come togther to help protect our resource. I possibly thought you might be able to use it to convince RFA national to help us out down here. It was not for you to take personal lmao...
Ps. What the heck don't you understand about me resigning as TOBA's President over 1 year ago?
Here is the 2cool thread Mr. Smarr is directing his anger towards me from: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Brogdon,
You sure get around...lol! I also heard that the COE is going to rubber stamp this permit which does not surprise me! I think they will hold a hearing and if we get lucky, an EIS will be performed prior to the rubber stamp. Those in the know feel the only way this permit can be stopped is via a law suit! There is a rumor of a few possible groups that may sue Centex or the COE over this issue. Oh, and one of those groups is not CCA. With all that said, I still feel it is very important for we recreational anglers to keep voicing our concerns in regards to our coastal issues. By doing this we are making a difference! Example: Without TOBA, the last 4 miles of beach along San Luis Pass would be closed! Our input and participation in the open beaches issues kept 50 percent of those beaches open. If the marina deal does go through, our input could affect the development itself and help minimze the overall impact to our resource/fishery. I have seen RFA (Recreational Fishing Alliance) involved in this issue sending letters and posting on the various boards! Hopefully, RFA Texas can get the National RFA to help assist RFA Texas put their money where their mouth is...Not slamming RFA in anyway. Just would finally like to see RFA Texas take some action showing CCA Texas how to help protect our resource. This is a another huge opportunity for RFA Texas to gain respect from our community. Texas needs a coastal organization that will and can step up to the plate for us! I don't think any of us here would mind footing the bill for it in the long run as we currently do for CCA. Right now, there are only a few orgs that I know of that may be able to transition into this role. TOBA needs more participation and lacks the funding! There focus is the beach! In the past there was discussing about expanding to help protect bay access but that fell through due to lack of legislation to support it. Though, TOBA still provides input to coastal issues in regards to the bay and that is a good thing. SCA, is another org that is focused on a single issue! There impact in this arena has been phenominal! Leadership and focus within SCA has proven that they also can make a difference! They so to speak put our money to work! The Galveston Bay Foundation has done great things here for our resource. But, they lack participation from the fishing community! Their statement and attitude in regards to the SLP marina could be much different if we were already involved in their ranks. So, who has the answer? Do we stay focused on single issues making a difference? Or merge and come together working to address all issues? Sad thing is, CCA Texas should be the org we should be able to depend on...I just cannot fathom a Executive Director who is making $100k plus per year not being involved or having the ability to make a difference. Not to mention, not even being able to return phone calls! That really ticks me off when I sit at work stressing myself out to return every single phone call I get before I go home. Even if it means that I do it on my own time!"
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FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says ha,ha
Mr. Smarr,Please tell us exactly what RFA Texas has done for us so far? Your snide remarks is exactly why RFA Texas has not made it yet. The remark about putting your money where your mouth is (is just that)...You talk a good game, but by this time it would seem that RFA national would give you some financial banking to make some things happen? When talking to Galveston Yankee the other night RFA came up! He said, I know you don't like Jim. I then don't told him it's not really that! I applauded all of your efforts and ivolvement and the only thing I thought was wrong with RFA Texas was you and Randy Davis getting on the net and making fools of yourself and RFA Texas. Heck, you just proved me wright again! I pasted my post from 2cool below so those who read it will understand where I'm coming from. The point was to try and get some synergy from all of the groups to come togther to help protect our resource. I possibly thought you might be able to use it to convince RFA national to help us out down here. It was not for you to take personal lmao...
Ps. What the heck don't you understand about me resigning as TOBA's President over 1 year ago?
Here is the 2cool thread Mr. Smarr is directing his anger towards me from: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Brogdon,
You sure get around...lol! I also heard that the COE is going to rubber stamp this permit which does not surprise me! I think they will hold a hearing and if we get lucky, an EIS will be performed prior to the rubber stamp. Those in the know feel the only way this permit can be stopped is via a law suit! There is a rumor of a few possible groups that may sue Centex or the COE over this issue. Oh, and one of those groups is not CCA. With all that said, I still feel it is very important for we recreational anglers to keep voicing our concerns in regards to our coastal issues. By doing this we are making a difference! Example: Without TOBA, the last 4 miles of beach along San Luis Pass would be closed! Our input and participation in the open beaches issues kept 50 percent of those beaches open. If the marina deal does go through, our input could affect the development itself and help minimze the overall impact to our resource/fishery. I have seen RFA (Recreational Fishing Alliance) involved in this issue sending letters and posting on the various boards! Hopefully, RFA Texas can get the National RFA to help assist RFA Texas put their money where their mouth is...Not slamming RFA in anyway. Just would finally like to see RFA Texas take some action showing CCA Texas how to help protect our resource. This is a another huge opportunity for RFA Texas to gain respect from our community. Texas needs a coastal organization that will and can step up to the plate for us! I don't think any of us here would mind footing the bill for it in the long run as we currently do for CCA. Right now, there are only a few orgs that I know of that may be able to transition into this role. TOBA needs more participation and lacks the funding! There focus is the beach! In the past there was discussing about expanding to help protect bay access but that fell through due to lack of legislation to support it. Though, TOBA still provides input to coastal issues in regards to the bay and that is a good thing. SCA, is another org that is focused on a single issue! There impact in this arena has been phenominal! Leadership and focus within SCA has proven that they also can make a difference! They so to speak put our money to work! The Galveston Bay Foundation has done great things here for our resource. But, they lack participation from the fishing community! Their statement and attitude in regards to the SLP marina could be much different if we were already involved in their ranks. So, who has the answer? Do we stay focused on single issues making a difference? Or merge and come together working to address all issues? Sad thing is, CCA Texas should be the org we should be able to depend on...I just cannot fathom a Executive Director who is making $100k plus per year not being involved or having the ability to make a difference. Not to mention, not even being able to return phone calls! That really ticks me off when I sit at work stressing myself out to return every single phone call I get before I go home. Even if it means that I do it on my own time!"
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jim smarr (65.136.40.22) from TEXAS says Tim you are a piece of work
I am really not amused with your self centered attitude. Tim you have had my number and knew how to reach me but chose to throw a punch at an organization that has helped TOBA. I am truly sorry you are in pain but do not take it out on me or RFA.As far as posting on the net we have fought for issues important to RFA Texas. Sorry you feel we were not posting in a prim and proper fashion. We had to get attention focused on issues and have. Tim some of your post have been out there on the edge.
The Cedar Bayou Vinson's Slough issues is being resolved due to our pushing the issue to the forefront. Our lawsuit pushed the issue of killing 22,000 acres of wetlands on ST.Joseph Island to the front. We at RFA feel this was ten fold the Exxon Valdez. 60 Billion dollar problem affecting 7 bay systems in the Coastal Bend.Six governmental Agencies turned their head as these wetlands died to appease the owner of St. Joseph Island. Fighting this issue against six agencies and a Billionare land owner was not easy. Tim RFA stopped the wholesale shutdown of our baysystems to drift fishing only in the Central Coast pushed by special Intrest. We fought and won the Nine Mile Hole drift only area to remove restrictions.
Tim we have helped on the Texas Open Beaches Act in an effort to draft legislation to correct the problems with the Texas Open Beaches Act.We do have lobbist that are working on the issue as we speak. Tim we have testified whenever asked including in Court for TOBA. We get zero credit for the above mentioned as RFA Texas. We are still working just the same.
Tim Tom Brown was asked to write an article to be used in the RFA News section of Texas Fish and Game Magizine that will be in the October issue 2005. Several hundred thousand sportsmen will be reading RFA and TOBA's take on the Texas Open Beaches Act. Having access to the press is vital to TOBA on beach access issues. We could have focused on other issues but chose Beach Access.
Tim we will continue to help TOBA move forward despite your comments. A simple phone call would have avoided the above responses. We work hard for the Coastal Fisheries at RFA Texas and take remarks seriously.
Jim Smarr
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Galveston Yankee (70.114.129.35) from TEXAS says TOBA/RFA Connection
For everyone who is interested in fighting for our beach and bay access rights, please read this and try to understand.RFA Texas has been one of the biggest supporters of Texas Open Beach Advocates (TOBA) along with our good friends at 2coolfishing. There have been many issues worked in the background that most people do not know about in which RFA has been very helpful. When we send an email to RFA, we get an answer within days even if it's from the national office! That's the point! They are responsive and willing to take up issues that are important to the average fisherman.
Just because activities may not have been broadcast on website messageboards does not mean that they have not happened. Sometimes it is wiser to not say anything than it is to crow about what you've done. RFA Texas has made numerous appearances in Austin giving comment on pending legislation and rules changes that support our cause. They have assisted us greatly in identifying legislatures who may be sympathetic to what it is we are trying to accomplish.
I have recently accepted appointment to the RFA Texas board as treasurer. Not because I have any more free time on my hands or enjoy running around in circles like a kid chasing dust devils, but because I feel that strongly about what RFA Texas has been doing.
RFA Texas arranged for a meeting with the Texas land commissioner in July of this year. Representatives of TOBA, Surfriders Foundation, Texas Kayak Fishermen and Saltwater Conservation Association were invited and participated in this meeting in Austin. RFA Texas did not attempt to dominate that meeting which gave the TOBA delegation the opportunity to present our concerns and to vigorously press the land commissioner on important issues.
As a result of that meeting, TOBA had the opportunity to escort, at the direction of the Land Commissioner, the Deputy Land Commissioner for Coastal Resources, the Director of Coastal Stewardship and a primary coordinator for coastal programs on a complete tour of Galveston Island to give TOBA's side of the beach access issue. That occurred one week after our meeting with the Land Commissioner which was arranged by Jim.
The biggest problem with organizing political battles is that too many people take things too seriously and/or personally. I fear that this may be happening here. It is imperative that we put our personal biases aside while waging this fight.
Right now, public access issues are like a freight train that is building up steam. The federal government is currently considering the possibility of not continuing funding the Coastal Management Program. One of the main issues is whether or not the money they are spending is being spent for the benefit of the public or if it is being used for the benefit of private developments. Scientists all over the country are adament about the need for stronger building restrictions along the coasts to slow down the rates of erosion. Now their concerns are being heard.
Developers and investors think that all of the taxpayers in the country should be subsidizing their high risk projects or insuring them against inevitable disaster. We need to continue to convince those in power that this is not a wise course to follow.
And a final note, TOBA does not make any demands of any other organizations. Period. Any comments that are made by members of TOBA are just that and should be recognized as being personal opinion. Any official statements coming from TOBA will have my name at the end of them.
Let's keep it together, folks. We are all fighting for the same things. If you can't keep emotions about individuals out of the dialogue, stay out of the dialogue. All of this petty bickering is what the money is looking for so they can move right along doing to the coasts what they do while y'all peck at each other. Go Figure!
Tom Brown President, Texas Open Beach Advocates www.texasopenbeaches.org
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WeWonder (69.151.211.214) from TEXAS says And that there
Is why you get just a small amount of support from outsiders. Did gcca or cca start off the internet and only stick to the internet? Get out in the world and recruit and keep your bickering to each other offline. It will help you in the long run. -
WeWonder (69.151.211.214) from TEXAS says Did I read that right?
SCA, the org, is involved in this now? Um, ok. Might not be a good move for some support due to people that donate big money for SCA may actually own houses on the west end beachfront. Just a thought. -
FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says That's my whole...
point! Obviously internet words can be interpreted differntly! Jim Smarr just took it a little bit to far! I know exactly what RFA has done in recent years. Like I said, it was/is a huge opportunity to gain some exposure on the issue. Not this kind obviously! I call it just how I see it and tell it like it is! And you my freind Mr. Smarr have my number too now don't cha... -
jim smarr (65.136.41.60) from TEXAS says No Tim I have not had a number for you for the last year
My number has been everywhere. Here it is again. RFA members have it, It is at rfatexas.org and it is below. Your comments were best delt with via private phone call. You chose the net so I responded. If you wanted truly to help your cause you should have just called and I would have told you where we are and where we were headed on the TOBA from the RFA standpoint. I do not react kindly to insults nor does the Texas Board or RFA National.Jim Smarr 361-463-1558
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jim smarr (65.136.41.60) from TEXAS says We-wonder lol
WE WONDER- The RFA “ following” is growing day by day. Using a real name on here gains respect we wonder about all the handles here and their true identities LOL We have posted very little here in the past two years or so. We now have Texas Fish and Game to get our story out. We have our own publication. We are quietly going forward as far as the net goes.We had to use it in the Cedar Bayou Vinson’s Slough issue to gain support for the project. We accomplished our goal and WMI helped get out the gory details the Propper Press wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole. Now they are begging for inter agency documents detailing the killing of the 1100 ft. wide fish pass called Vinson’s Slough on St Joseph Island along with drying up the back lakes killing vast sea grass beds. Yep we have who knew what when and how this mess was pulled off from A to Z in black and white in unbelievable detail. We have not released the documents just yet. The six agencies that signed off have some good folks in the ranks. The WMI Board alerted old friends embedded in the Agencies and guess what the documents started arriving in the mail from the Agencies. Yes Agency folks are fishermen and women too. Yes some of them joined RFA some were members.
The grief I personally have had on this board along with Randy Davis was well worth the return on investment. Thanks to all those who responded in a positive manner. We were truly overwhelmed by the support via e-mail ,snail mail and cel phone. Only a few well known red handles ever gave us grief LOL.
Thanks WMI for allowing the heat in the kitchen.
Jim Smarr Texas RFA 361-463-1558 jimsmarr@austin.rr.com
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WeWonder (69.151.209.234) from TEXAS says My questions still stands
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FishFinder (70.245.84.70) from TEXAS says Number never changed,
(I'm in the book also) and I personally did not see a reason to call you since I am informed and have already spoken to people in the know about what has been going on with TOBA and other issues. You just simply took my remarks and went too far and fired off the insults with that light trigger! Hopefully RFA National will step up to the plate. A letter will not make that huge of an impact! One last thing Mr. Smarr! San Luis Pass is a place where thousands of Texas anglers have been enjoying the resource on both the beach and bay sides. It is NOT my own personal spot. Matter of fact, I hardly even fish there anymore. So by RFA getting involved in the impacts of the marina in regards to the conservation side of the issue of lower west Galveston Bay, they are helping the resource(NOT ME and my ability to fish my own personal spot as you see it)! -
jim smarr (65.136.40.144) from TEXAS says Tim I didn't need your number you needed mine. I'm confused as to why I should call you.
Tim sorry you left the fight thankfuly others have taken the baton in your absence. Tom ,Loraine and Lisa at Texas Open Beach Advocates seem to be pleased with RFA Help. TOBA seems to be doing a good job under current management. Tim I will not be calling you. I think I erased your numbers now that I have had time to think about it as They were no longer of use to me as others had taken over the fight in your absence. I have nothing else to say. -
FishFinder (70.245.84.70) from TEXAS says Please don't call...
Smarr, you really think you know it all don't you? When I resigned as TOBA President, I did so because it caused me to lose my job and almost my family. So how dare you crtique me for taking some time off to get another job and spend some time much needed time with my family. Hey, I paid my dues and busted my but for my fellow anglers! When the baton was passed (not taken) to Tom as TOBA President we all knew TOBA would be in good hands! He has done a fine job! Get back to the real issue Smarr! Conservation and the destruction of our wetlands along lower west galveston bay. So what is RFA doing about that besides sending letters! Just tell us how much progress you are making in regards to the wetlands destruction and dredging that will be close to sea grass beds? -
jim smarr (65.136.40.195) from TEXAS says Tim we are all aware of your unfair treatment
Tim all involved understand how unfairly you have been treated by Centex Crooks. I did not start this. You insulted us via the net. I truly understand your pain. We have been fighting the fight on many fronts for all Saltwater Anglers not just Beach Access. Stop and re-read all the post on all Boards that you have posted and pasted. We have the right to feel offended. I personaly do not know everything about all issues but do try to surround myself with people who are up to speed on differen't issues as Henry Ford and LBJ did. Henry Ford did not know every detail about building automobiles but surrounded himself with people that did. LBJ surrounded himself with people that were up to speed on the issue of the day. RFA Texas uses this management style. Again I know my personal limitations all to well. I think you have made some outrageous statements about me and RFA without merit. Your comments are not helping the overall cause.RFA Texas and National are working to do the right thing as far as Beach Access is concerned and will continue to do so.
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FishFinder (70.245.84.70) from TEXAS says again,
You are the one who took it too far Mr. Smarr! A statement of putting your money where your mouth is did not warrant the attack from you. I actually was including your org with others that DO GOOD. But your mouth prevailed! Stop side stepping the real issue and the original post. What exactly is RFA doing about this issue other than sending letters? I doubt very seriously that RFA can do much in regards to this issue! I hope you prove me wrong! Not start proven... -
jim smarr (65.136.40.46) from TEXAS says RFA National Access Task Force formed
Tim RFA National has set up a Vehicular Beach Access Task Force. Tom Brown and TOBA are getting involved heavily as we speak with RFA National on this vital project. The Texas RFA Board will have serious input from a true grass roots .org. Please refocus on the real problem Centex,Galvaston County,Texas GLO ,USACOE and the Special Intrest Property Owners Associations trying to destroy the Texas Open Beaches act as other .org's sit by and do nothing. We understand now is the time to get the problem solved via legislation to solve the Texas Open Beaches Act "Loop Holes". We will be doing everything we can in the interium to maintain Vehicular Beach Access. Keep in touch with Tom for updates.jimsmarr@austin.rr.com RFA Texas 361-463-1558
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FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says re-focus?
You keep asking me to re-focus to beach access? Come on Jim...I asked you exactly what RFA plans on doing about the Centex marina issue besides sending letters? I still have not received a clear answer. I am not speaking for TOBA, SCA, and or any other group out there right now! I am only putting pressure on those orgs such as CCA or RFA whom we anglers should hold accountable for making a difference! You could have chosen a different path is this thread...I looked at the RFA Texas website today and noticed that the message forum is not accessible? I think I'll send Jim Donofrio an email to show him how our state rep here in RFA is sending the message...In addition, I do plan on stopping by the court house in Mata on my next trip down there to see where the law suit RFA has filed currently rest! I will post my findings on the current RFA law suit in Matagorda. By the way, except for the message board, the RFA website looks good!Ps. Just a concerned angler who feels that our resource is in jeopardy of being compromised due to private interest...
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jim smarr (65.136.40.88) from TEXAS says Tim
We are very busy. This has gotten very personal. We need to be professional in dealing with Fisheries issues. I am far to busy to continue this discussion with a disgruntled angler.Remember stirring up the mud only makes the other side feel confident. Think about any further actions on your part.
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FishFinder (70.245.84.70) from TEXAS says There ya go again Jimmy...
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FishFinder (24.175.55.104) from TEXAS says professional? humm....
"We need to be professional in dealing with Fisheries issues."How quick to change your tune Mr. Smarr? These comments from you don't sound to professional to me?
"Timmy we have been at a called meeting Commissioner Patterson present with the Land Office where have you been cowboy????"
"Tim I am disappointed with your snippy attitude. Shame on you. Money involved or did you forget just because it did not involve your personal fishing spot. chill dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"Tim you are a piece of work...I am really not amused with your self centered attitude."
"You insulted us via the net. I truly understand your pain."
Insult? Put your money where your mouth is...That's not too big in my opinion! Especially, when I wrote just afterwards that I was not slamming your org??? What pain? My back pain? Pain in my left wrist? If we are to keep it professional as you say Jim Smarr, then why all of the NON professional comments above? You still never answered my question about the wetlands destruction and sea grass bed issues at SLP? Besides sending a letter, what does RFA Texas intend on doing about this issue? If that's all, then fine just let us know! It's more than CCA did (that I know of). If there is more, then let us know what RFA intends on doing. Just maybe, the fishing community would rally behind you...You lost the real focus of my post on 2cool Jim. This was/is could have been a huge opportunity for RFA Texas...Now, please keep it professional!
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Galveston Yankee (70.114.129.35) from TEXAS says SCA Involvement
WeWonder,SCA was offered the opportunity to attend the meeting with Commissioner Patterson. The offer was accepted and a representative did attend. SCA may be primarily concerned with retiring shrimp boat licenses, but is also smart enough to stay abreast of other issues as well. It's not every day that a group gets a chance to sit in on a meeting with officials in such high levels of government. I think they were smart to attend even if they do not take a public stance on the issue one way or the other.
Tom Brown