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SUBJECT: # 39646: Favorite grouper rig?

Submitted by UFM82 from OHIO on 2/20/2006 5:01:00 PM

I'm doing winter work and want to tie up some rigs for my trip down to Florida in May. I plan to fab up about a dozen grouper rig and bag them for quick access. I'm thinking a 12/0 Mustad 39960D hook, 24" or 36" of Seaguar fluoro, and a Rosco swivel. I'll be using 4-6 oz egg sinkers on the mainline above the swivel with a bead to protect the knot.

I've also contemplated a 3-way rig with a dropper for the weight but they seem like they would tangle up on the drop.

Any other ideas or suggestions? What size swivels? What test fluoro?


  1. 2/21/2006 10:57:00 AM Submitted by Fish Hawk ( from NC says Grouper Rigs...
    Hard to beat a simple Carolina Rig made of 60 to 100lb mono or Florocarbon if you want to spend the money. Not sure how heavy your tackle is but this is the general range for leaders. I personally like 6 to 8 feet of leader with a Mustad 9174 6/0 or 7/0 hook on one end and a 150lb swivel on the other end. One of the biggest mistakes Grouper fisherman make is to be bouncing your weight up and down on the bottom as you are fishing. Either let it rest completely on the bottom or when your weight hits the bottom crank it up about 3 turns so it stays suspended. I personally prefer to let it rest on the bottom. A bouncing weight will especially scare off Grouper and Muttom Snappers. Always try to use either live or "fresh" (not frozen) baits.

  2. 2/21/2006 1:07:00 PM Submitted by MikeF ( from GA says lighter rig
    I would go with 30 to 50# FC and a 3/0 circle hook. Try one your way and one my way and see how many more bites you'll get.

  3. 2/21/2006 4:50:00 PM Submitted by UFM82 from OH says A 3/0? What brand circle?
    A 3/0 circle is awfully small for a circle- that's not much bigger than a quarter in some brands. That seems a little light for fish that can straighten out an 8/0 Gammy circle.

    My gear is 6'6" conventional rods, 30-60 lb rated. I'll be running a 65# braid topshot on 30lb mono. (3/0 class reels) I'll run the fluoro leader for "stealth". LOL Plus it's hold up against the rocks better than anything else.

    Thanks- I was looking for help and you guys provided that. I'll try anything once. LOL


  4. 2/22/2006 9:00:00 AM Submitted by Fish Hawk ( from NC says Grouper....
    If you are looking for "bites" try the lighter rig. If you want to put "legal" grouper in the box try my suggestions.

  5. 2/22/2006 3:55:00 PM Submitted by MikeF ( from GA says hook
    The hook I use is a Gamakatsu Cirle Octopus in black, I don't have any here to get the number. If I was losing a lot of fish I would move up but the majority of the groupers aren't over 10#. If I were going for Goliaths then I would be using 8/0 but then I'ld be using 3# snapper for bait. Try it and see, most people way over tackle IMHO but just because I disagree doesn't make them wrong. If I'm going to be eating these I would rather be filleting 5# fish but that's just me.

  6. 2/23/2006 4:40:00 PM Submitted by Swampy from FL says it varies on where youre fishing
    Off St. Augustine, you can catch small grouper on 50lb test. No braid. Momoi or triplefish is preferred in 50-80lb. Flourocarbon is only used for muttons and mangos. Use regular Ande mono leader 60-100lb. Daichi Circle Chunk 10/0 (same size as a 6/0 Owner). Gammie Octopus 8/0 is also good but will open up on a big fish. Big chunk of bloody bonita or a live bait...pinfish is best.

    Medium grouper 100lb test/100lb leader. 12/0 Daichi circle chunk. Big phucking live bait.

    Big grouper 40lbs+ 125-150lb test 150lb Ande leader 18/0 Eagle claw circle sea. 2lb yellowtail or blue runner for bait.Close drag on 6/0 with pliars or balpeen.

    West coast and the keys is different...light tackle... 50lb test to get bit. Jigs work. Pinfish are your best bet.

  7. 2/26/2006 2:07:00 PM Submitted by Brad from CA says grouper harassment devices...?
    When are you kids going to outgrow your need to harass one of YOUR longest living resident specie?

    i just don't understand what pleasure anyone could derive from hassling and injuring one of those splendid creatures~

  8. 2/26/2006 9:26:00 PM Submitted by Fish Hawk ( from NC says Grouper.........
    Brad....the main pleasure I get is hearing that magnificiant creature sizzle in the fryer. Hard to beat some good fried Grouper.

  9. 2/27/2006 10:11:00 AM Submitted by UFM82 from OH says BWAHAHAHAAA_-- Thanks Fish. That's what I was thinking...
    SIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZLE in the frying pan. You gotta love the crisp fried flesh of a gorgeous creature and superb fighter like that. Yummy.


    Grouper fingers anyone?

  10. 2/27/2006 1:15:00 PM Submitted by Fish Hawk ( from NC says Ufm82....
    Please pass the tarter sauce!!!! I always practice "filet and release" on all my legal grouper. HA HA HA!!!

  11. 2/27/2006 6:00:00 PM Submitted by MikeF ( from GA says had it yesterday
    Had to be in Tampa over the weekend. Had fresh grouper Sunday. Guess they didn't know I was using hooks that are too small.

  12. 2/28/2006 3:18:00 PM Submitted by Swampy from FL says fisherman harassment device = Brad
    Brad - Have you ever offered a tip about how to catch a fish?

    did you realize that that is the main purpose of this forum?

    Aren't you just an annoyance with no real contribution to the topic of discussion? ever?

    don't you get bored? do you see yourself as a hero? do you think you've saved even one fish here?

  13. 2/28/2006 3:53:00 PM Submitted by Fish hawk ( from NC says Swampy.........
    You go Swamp......Brad is the saver of all creatures big and small. I would rather he keep focused just on the big uns. That way there will be more big uns for all of us. Sure hope they re-open that Goliath season soon....BWAAAAHA

  14. 2/28/2006 7:25:00 PM Submitted by Brad from CA says i have done a lot of work helping the giants here in So Cal
    You people have no idea the amount of time and personal expense i have given to protect the biggest and most impressive resident specie in our waters. It really ticks me off to hear so-called sportsmen talk about catching, injuring, and releasing their own giant residents for no other reason that the thrill of doing it. Your blind objecticication of the life in YOUR waters accomplishes nothing but to threaten your fishing oportunities for the future. i got no dog in this race, i'm just trying to get you stubborn, selfish bastages to take a look at what you are doing to your own environment.

    I love the ocean, and run these seas hard. If i may be so brazen, there isn't one of you tough guys who runs the seas like i do. Never has been, never will be. Swimpy and ultimate, you kids aren't even in the same league! So you landlubbers and fairweather 'fishermen' you can spout off all the childish garbage you want. All i can do is wish you girls were born with the brass to really get out there and explore your world. If you had, who knows, you may have a greater appreciation for YOUR ocean environment and stop objectifying fish the way children objectify their play toys.

  15. 3/1/2006 9:40:00 AM Submitted by MikeF ( from GA says when I grow up
    I want to be the person Brad thinks he is.

    If you've ever been fishing around any structure that has Goliaths then you've hooked them. Either by intentionally targeting them or by having them inhale what you've hooked.

    As long as you're practicing catch and release what harm is there. I have not seen any studies that indicate a high mortality rate with C&R.

    In Florida they are protected; you can't keep one and why would you want to. If I'm eating grouper I want 5 to 10# fish.

    Besides if my memory serves me well which it does in this case. The biggest loss of Goliaths occurred from divers taking them spear fishing.

  16. 3/1/2006 12:39:00 PM Submitted by Swampy from FL says avoiding the question Bradly
    have you ever offered anyone any good fishing advice in all your years on this board? One little tip?

    I didn't think so...

    the question was, have any of your gyrations here saved even one fish? answer no. if anything you fire ppl up to tell you how much they like to fry fish and eat them.

    Isn't it boring after all these years?

  17. 3/1/2006 2:47:00 PM Submitted by UFM82 from OH says Huh? My typical regimen is...
    1) Hook the fish

    2) Play it to the boat

    3) Slash it several times with a fillet knife to get a couple wounds bleeding really well

    4) Throw it back in the water and laugh as it tries to swim away.

    Is that what you wanted to hear Brad? Is that what you believe? Can you really be so self-righteous as to think that you have no impact on your surroundings and yet we are obliterating nature through our actions? Your belved 4 stroke still injects pollutants into the water, you still create unnatural noise in the water column and you still present yourself as an alien form in their world. I take great pains to minimize my impact on the water when I fish. I keep only to eat and release the rest. The fact remains- God put us on this Earth and made the animals subservient to us. They are here for our use.

    So, it sounds like 50# is perfect. Thanks all.


  18. 3/1/2006 10:09:00 PM Submitted by Brad from CA says there are givers and there are takers in this world...
    And you two clowns have staked your claim as takers without so much as a hint of inhibition...

    I guarantee you there are many sportsmen out your way who wouldn't target a protected specie if it was the last fish on earth! They are the TRUE sportsmen who conduct themselves in a way that elevates your sport. They don't speak up because they don't want to be stigmatized by your childish name calling. Callous, selfish people like you two do nothing but give the managers of the resource legitimate reason to impose further restrictions on the rest of the sportsmen...

    History proves that as time marches on, your fishing opportunities are being diminished, one specie at a time. And as history further proves, your type will be the first to pitch a betch about lost opportunities.

    But the good news is, it's never too late for you boys to muster some dignity and start to appreciate the life in YOUR OWN waters. All species bifurcate into two groups, one pelagic, the other resident. I suggest that you people start to pay close attention to YOUR resident species, they are the bellweather indicator for any geographical area. They will be THE study group that will impact your future opportunities.

    Protect that which you value!

    or loose it..

  19. 3/2/2006 10:55:00 AM Submitted by MikeF ( from GA says Morning Brad
    Off to St Pete to spend 4 days harassing your little friends. All this talk about Goliaths made me decide to run out to the middle grounds and do a little C&R on them.

  20. 3/2/2006 2:25:00 PM Submitted by UFM82 from OH says They just took them off the "species of concern" list...
    But they're still C&R only- no harvest allowed. There just isn't enough data out there to make a determination as to whether to allow harvest right now. That's fine by me- I think it's a shame to harvest truly large fish, including billfish and sharks. Let 'em go to be caught again. They're not hard to catch- they don't show any fear of man and they eat pretty much anything as far as bait. They do definitely fight well though.

    Brad, you had better hope I NEVER see, hear of or catch you eating meat.


  21. 3/2/2006 6:35:00 PM Submitted by Swampy from FL says he claims to eat 2 hamburgers a year UFM
    and Brad, you're the one doing all the name-calling.

    I just want an answer to my question... have you ever offered anyone here any fishing advice...on how to catch a fish?

  22. 3/3/2006 10:15:00 AM Submitted by Gene from GA says Geeezzz, even I know the Giants are in NoCal...nm

  23. 3/17/2006 1:19:00 PM Submitted by capt_dalton ( from AL says Brad - proof of the benefits of catch & release
    Look at that fellas, ole Brad took the bait 3 times and was played to the boat by 4 different anglers.

    Released to fight again another day.

  24. 3/17/2006 8:36:00 PM Submitted by Fish Hawk ( from NC says Capt Dalton......
    Good to see you back on this board. I know you post some on the fishcraze site. I have donated some lures to give away at the tournament in May. I saw that you will be fishing it so check out my lures at the event and drop by my site sometime ( I will send you a free sample to try if you contact me. Kevin, or ("Hardcore" on the site.

  25. 3/21/2006 4:34:00 PM Submitted by capt_dalton ( from AL says Hey FishHawk
    Hi Kevin,

    I saw that you had signed on there. This will be our second FISHTOGETHER tournament. Thanks for the donation, I am sure they will go as prizes in the offshore catergories. I ferreted up the majority of the prizes last year and that's no easy task.

    I'd be happy to throw one in the spread behind the Mar-T this year. She is on the hill right now getting fresh zincs and bottom paint, but, things will start heating up in the next couple of weeks. I'll be scouting for the opening of snapper season and I've heard rumors of blackfin in 110'.

    Drop me an email or PM me on FC. I'll hit your site again and drop you a line as well.

    Thanks Again! Chris

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