SUBJECT: # 24975: Shamrock info
Dave (188.8.131.52) from NEW JERSEY on 2/10/03 9:36:00 PM
Anyone have comments on late model 25-26 foot Shamrocks? How do they handle in rough water. What about occasional trailering? Grew up on inboards but haven't owned one in a long time. Would you go there?
- 2/11/03 5:38:00 PM
joc (184.108.40.206) from DELAWARE says shammy club
Here's the link you need.All Shamrock-all the time.http://www.fishtheclassic.net/home.php
- 2/12/03 8:24:00 PM
Dave (220.127.116.11) from NEW JERSEY says more on shamrock?
thanks Jok - good site but those guys are dyed in the wool Shamrock enthusiasts. Nothing but great news there. Looking for a less impartial scoop. One concern after looking at their site is speed. These guys are talking 20 -25 knots. true? I am also looking at Whaler conquest
- 2/13/03 12:39:00 AM
Gavin (18.104.22.168) from NORTH CAROLINA says Impartial? HA!!
Dyed in the wool? Geez! Guess you haven't been over there and really looked around. Why would you go to any other source than a person that OWNS one? You trust everything a dealer tells you? It aint all peaches and cream. Honest questions get honest answers. Seeing as I am the webmaster for the board, I can tell you I have no affiliation with Shamrock at all, nor it's parent company KCS Int'l. You don't see many complaints over there because they build a damn good vessel. They aint perfect, and no-one on the board will tell ya that. 20-25 knots is what I cruise at. I have the 246WAC with the Cheby 350 and a FWC system.
With fuel prices lookin to be well over 2 bucks a gallon at the marinas this year, why would you even consider an outboard if you don't mind these cruise speeds?
You'll get the facts over there, both good & bad. Just stay away from their sister company Rampage. Rampage's customer sevice skills are some of the worst I have ever experienced. I can only hope they have improved since the last time I tried to speak with them. Talk about a runaround!
Reminds me of a story I just read on another board. Guy at the boat show last wknd looking over a 32' Albemarle. The pinhead salesman sees them on the boat, leaves the booth and heads towards them. He hollars up at the 2 of them from about 20 feet away "You want me to tell you the price of that boat so you can shake your head & say no now?"
To which the potential customer told him, "No thanks, I'll just write the check to the other dealer down the road from you." And he did just that too. Ordered a brandy new 32 Alby with twin Yanmars from the dealer in the next town. Just goes to show ya, ya never know just who your talking to.
Come on over, you'll get your honest opinion. No better place to ask than the man behind the wheel. Gavin/Webmaster fishtheclassic.net Screamin' drags baby!
- 2/13/03 10:59:00 AM
Burt (22.214.171.124) from NEW JERSEY says Forget about Shamrock
Inboards are the only way to go especially twins. In my opinion the Shamrock is way over priced for the kind of quality you get. The boat is slow, wet and the hull sides are paper thin. Pascoe is tuff on all boats but he rips apart the shamrock and for good reason, they don't hold up too well over time. For a boat in your size range its hard to beat a Carolina Classic or Albemarle. These boats are eqivalent to the blackfins, Hatteras or Bertrams of the marine world. The 25 Carolina is dry and cruises 25 to 27 knots with the new 8.1 inboard topping out at 40mph.
There has been many discussions about Shamrocks on this site and usually they are very negative which is one of the reasons why Gavin formed his Shamrock only website.
- 2/13/03 5:28:00 PM
Burt (126.96.36.199) from NEW JERSEY says 25cc
A friend of mine just gave me some more specs on the 25 Carolina. He gets on his 8.1 inboard jackshaft to a volvo 290 DP-E drive, 37 knots(WOT) with B-7 Duo-props with one third fuel and two people. Burns about 15 gal/hr at cruise. For a boat that is twice the weight of a shamrock, thats not bad! The nice advantage of the jackshaft is that there is no cooling water entering or exiting the drive, so in reality its like have a true inboard with a through hull water in-take. He leaves his boat in saltwater 9 months out of a year with none of these drive problems that usually plague conventional I/O's
- 2/13/03 8:09:00 PM
Dave (188.8.131.52) from NEW JERSEY says Carolina classic
Burt - thanks for the info. I have looked at some Carolina Classics but they are usually out my price range or bigger sizes. What do you think of jack shaft reliabily? Heard some other boat companies (Trueworld) have had trouble with them. Assume it is connected to a stern drive which requires the same seasonal maint. as an I/O
Gavin - have just found your site a week ago. I have enjoyed it . Tech talk is useful I'm sure. I am not a speed racer and 25 knots are fine most of the time. What can your 246 do in the ocean on a nice day? Weather has been known to get bad when you are far from home.
- 2/13/03 11:12:00 PM
Stan (184.108.40.206) from VIRGINIA says I own one too
I also own a shamrock 246. Mine is a 1999 model, 350 chevy (carb) FWC. Turns a 16x18 wheel off of a 1.5:1 reduction gear. I cruise at about 22 kts at 9.5 gallons per hour at about 3100 RPM with 4 POB and a full load of fuel and gear. Depending on load, the secondaries on my Holley 4bbl open up between 3200 and 3400, giving me just a bit more speed, but fuel consumption jumps up to 12 - 15 GPH. Those are the facts. Everything from here on is my opinion:
Twins would be nice, diesel (single or twin) would be better, but out of my price range. A single inboard is much more reliable than an either an outboard or I/O, and burns a lot less fuel than the outboard.
Pascoe ripped apart one old Shamrock a couple of years ago that was in poor condition, and yet folks on a couple of boards - including this one -take that as gospel for the condition of all Shamrocks. I have spent 40 of my 43 years on the water, including 2 commercial fishing, and 25 affiliated with the U.S. Coast Guard (4 years as a cadet, 8 as a Commissioned Officer and, the rest as a Civil Servant.) I have seen and been aboard lots of boats in this size range, and have found none that I could afford that compare with the Shamrocks. I got caught in Ches Bay last year in 35 kts of wind, and 6-8 ft seas. Kept plugging along at about 14 kts with the seas just off of the bow, and while the ride was wet, we never pounded and never felt unsafe. I can think of many 25 foot boats I am glad I was not on that day.
Burt: I looked at both Albies and Carolina Classics when I bought mine. I saw no appreciable difference in quality of construction on any of the three. I got the Shamrock for 2 primary reasons. First, neither Albermarle nor Carolina Classic offers any of their boats this size in a straight inboard. I know lots of folks like their I/O, but I don't. No commercial waterman I know uses one. It's either inboard or outboard only for them, and for me. Second reason I got the Shammie was price. It was much less than either of the other two, even if I were inclined to go for the I/O.
Dave: If you spend some time on Gavin's board, you will see lots of comments, both good and bad. Go find these boats, price them out, and take a test drive. As questions on the Fish the Classic board, and get answers from the owners, not from second and third hand reports. Best of luck in whatever you do.
- 2/14/03 8:03:00 AM
Burt (220.127.116.11) from NEW JERSEY says Jackshaft
Dave, my friends boat is a 95 repowered with the 8.1 last year. He originally had 1600hrs on his last carb'd 454, never had any shaft problems or major drive problems. In fact, he has about 300hrs on the 8.1 with the same shaft and drive. He use to have twin outboards on a 25 Grady and he actually had more problems with water in the gear case's with them. Carolina uses a one piece jackshaft where others use two pieces. The drive maintenance is the biggest issue but the Volvo's are bullet proof. Don't confuse conventional mercruisers to jackshaft volvo's.
Stan, happy to hear that you enjoy your Shamrock but what does quality have to do with commercial use? Go over to boatdiesel.com and talk to people who run jackshaft diesel 26 Albemarle's commercially. I fished a 22 Shamrock and the new 29(balsa cored below the waterline!!) and in my opinion, my original comments still hold.
- 2/14/03 1:38:00 PM
Tom (18.104.22.168) from UTAH says Shamrock boats
Dave, I am a Shamrock owner and second the words of Gavin and Stan. I have owned three Shamrocks. I have been boating for over 40 years, including military and charter boat service. I owned several boats before the Shamrocks. You'll find most Shamrock owners have owned at least two boats and had extensive sea time prior to purchasing their Shamrock. In other words, they know what they want in a boat and choose Shamrocks because of quality, reliability, easy of maintence, and resale.
Before purchasing my first Shamrock I delivered several to Alaska on their own bottoms. I had an I/O at the time and was on my third lower unit in 11 months. The Shamrocks with full keel and skeg, are much less likely to be damaged when hitting a log or other floating debris which is so prevalent in NW waters. You can read about one of my trips on the fishtheclassic board; do a search on Alaska.
I currently own a 22' which I trailer to So Cal, Puget Sound and Baja, to fish and cruise. It cruises at 20-22 knots with 4 people and full fuel while getting about 8 gph.
I also do extended cruises in Baja fishing and diving. I love the reliability of a true inboard.
The ride is dry, comfortable, and the hull doesn't slam in seas. I've had it out in seas that beat up other boats, many larger, and have always felt comfortable and safe. Even my wife will go off shore in the Shamrock, where she won't in other boats.
These boats are built tough. I take mine 60 to 80 miles off shore and fish all day. Sure I keep a weather eye, but am not concerned about small craft warnings. Its a slower trip home in true 6' seas, but the boat will handle it well.
Again, I recommend you talk with those that actually own the boat and have used it for 100 hours+. Any boat can appear less than desireable to one who is out on it for just one or two times and unused to it handling characteristics. Go to the Shamrock board and see if there is an owner near you willing to take you out. A trip at the helm will quickly point out the good and bad about any boat.
- 2/19/03 2:31:00 PM
Jason (22.214.171.124) from NORTH CAROLINA says Rough water & shamrocks
The original poster was asking about rough water handling. In some ways this is a much less subjective question than "Is Shamrock good?". All of the shamrocks that I have seen have a relatively small deadrise (i.e. are somewhat flat bottomed). This helps them be a bit faster and better on the fuel economy, but it results in less optimal handling in rough water conditions. I don't know the numbers, by my 27' Shamrock seemed very light. For such a large boat I often felt pushed around by relatively small waves. Again, a light weight is great for speed and fuel consumption, but if you are worried about rough water performance, it is not good.
As for trailering, my experience is limited. Trailering any 25-26ft boat is going to be quite a task. I wouldn't plan on doing it on a regular basis...