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SUBJECT: # 26792: V-6 E-TEC Evinrude test run
Submitted by seahorse (68.205.21.54) from ALABAMA on 8/4/04 5:46:00 PM
I ran the 200 V6 E-TEC today on a 23 HydraSports Baybolt that weighed in close to 5000 pounds with fuel and 4 folks aboard. We did almost 50mph, speedo reading, and that motor really performed nice. It is super quiet and has a deeper tone than a 4 stroke. It idles at 500 rpm, that's right 500 rpm, and the alternator is putting out just under 20 amps. At 1200 rpm, it puts out a full 50 amps of current to keep everything charged up.
The total emissions are way less than a Yamaha 4-stroke and it also meets the latest European emission regulations for 2005 that the Yamaha cannot meet at this time.
The other thing I noticed is that the prop hub does not soot up like some of the earlier FICHT motors did.
I think Bombardier has a winner here.
There will also be both 20" and 25" HO models that will be available in December and there will be a new "magnum Lightning" gearcase for them. They said that the 225HO on the same boat will run about the same speed as the Yamaha 300HPDI.
- 8/5/04 7:14:00 AM
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Casey (128.244.195.30) from MARYLAND says Interesting
With regard to the statement about the 225HO running the same as a 300.Does this indicate that Bombardier is not choosing to follow NMMA standards for rating HP on outboard motors?
I am of course presuming that Yamaha is. Which may or may not be correct. But each is a member, so one would presume that they both will be abiding by the standards. Obviously someone is and someone is not. I would like to know what the real rating is.
Casey
- 8/6/04 8:56:00 AM
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seahorse (68.205.21.54) from ALABAMA says hp rating
IF you look at the HO specs, there is no horsepower rating. It only says "factory tuned for best performance". The 200HO and 225HO are only model designations, not an indication of horsepower.
- 8/6/04 6:17:00 PM
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Dunk79 (68.44.136.197) from NEW JERSEY says I Like That Answer....
Slap "HO"(high output) behind the estimated hp and boggie on... Casey to answer your question...300 Yams are limp dicks and maybe 260hp at the prop if they are running right, not many are... The 250/225HPDI's are not much better, although the 200HPDI seem to be perfect.. No doubt these new Etec's are going to be breathing fire and maxed out at the prop.. Sure sounds like Bomb is ready to take on Merc's new Verado and bury it in 2 stroke fumes, but it looks like not much fumes.. Yam is still trying to get the design they stole from Merc and OMC to work right. The only one that can up the Etec's is Merc with a redesigned Optimax..but no one heard anything about that yet..
- 8/7/04 11:09:00 AM
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seahorse (68.205.21.54) from ALABAMA says E-TEC information
Check this site out ( a .PDF file) for detailed information on the E-TEC outboards from Evinrude.http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pauldawson/IAME44-1_e-tec.pdf
- 8/7/04 11:44:00 AM
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LocalMotion (24.186.53.1) from NEW YORK says So what is the big secret....
...with the horsepower? How are people supposed to decide on what to buy? "I bought a 'factory tuned' motor?"It doesn't matter for those little toy boats they test with to go 50 mph but you need to know when you are buying 2 of them to push something heavy.
I sure wouldn't buy a 'factory tuned' car off the lot and wouldn't have bought the new crate motor for the bike I built if all I knew was that it was 'factory tuned'. Ya just gotta know.
- 8/7/04 11:55:00 AM
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seahorse (68.205.21.54) from ALABAMA says Secret????
The HO models have been around for years as special performance motors. They are limited production outboards designed for the "go fast" bass and sports boats. They have stiffer motor mounts, smaller high speed low water pickups and "nose cone" gearcases, cool looking graphics, and used to only come with a 20" shaft length. Now they are available in 25" also for 2005.These are not the regular V6's in the Evinrude line-up. Don't get them confused.
- 8/7/04 6:02:00 PM
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LocalMotion (24.186.53.1) from NEW YORK says Ho...
...I read all that info on the link you posted Seahorse and went to the main site too.I want a pair for my Phoenix. I will check my lotto numbers in the morning! :-)
- 8/8/04 12:19:00 PM
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marinerman (192.31.106.35) from ALABAMA says Still Wondering
how can a two stoke engine firing twice as many times as a four stroke can put out LESS emissions???? They both should be burning about the same fuel/air ratio with each combustion stroke shouldn't they? I am missing something and can't figure it out.
- 8/9/04 7:42:00 AM
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Casey (128.244.195.30) from MARYLAND says So
How can the Yamaha and Evinrude be rated at the same HP?The standard allows for 5% +/- for motors over 100kW. So a 250 is allowed to make between 238 and 263. Is that what is going on, is there really 25HP difference between 250s?
I looked at evinrudes performance bulletins, and there is quite a difference between evinrude and yamaha. Does that represent 5%+/-? I don't know what to expect from a 25HP difference.
- 8/9/04 8:05:00 AM
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Boatdood (68.58.240.7) from SOUTH CAROLINA says Laws, ratings, and such
Even though we have standards and laws in effect, the real world shows us something quite different now and then. How can this be when a horsepower is a horsepower? All sorts of explanations for this, but a manufacturer looking for a marketing niche will do some shady things. After all, how can the governing system prove that all the engines manufactured as a particular horsepower perform over, or under, specifications? The manufacturer can claim, accurately, that variations in the building process can allow for anomolies of performance. The same is also true in boats. Not all out the mold perform the same, and not all meet the safety requirements the law requires. But there are so many of them. Policing the mess is a formidable, if not impossible task. Therefore folks, we have a lot of cheating going on out there. The rules only keep it in a loose check.
- 8/9/04 12:10:00 PM
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Chris (170.146.91.6) from NEW YORK says 2stroke with less emissions?
Marinerman - a DI 2stroke has a very high thermal efficiency rating. it extracts a high amount of energy from its fuel and converts it into motion. also, 2strokes produce naturally low amounts of NO2 because of their lower combustion chamber temperature, in comparison to 4 strokes. Another thing is that 2 strokes can use a smaller engine to produce the same amount of horsepower as a 4stroke, but still produce greater amounts of torque. this high torque output allows the engine to be less stressed. an unstressed engine will have less emsisions than a stressed one.
- 8/9/04 5:57:00 PM
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seahorse (68.205.21.54) from ALABAMA says Attn. Casey +or - 10%
The ICOMIA standard allows for + or - 10% on outboard motors. You have to read the wording carefully.
- 8/10/04 6:56:00 AM
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Casey (128.244.195.30) from MARYLAND says Standard
Seahorse,I made the mistake of assuming that outboards were considered governed engines. ICOMIA considers them ungoverned, which as you pointed out, is 10%+/-.
Here is another paragraph.
It is recommended to choose the full throttle engine speed range mentioned in 3.1.1 in such a way that the highest power within this range does not exceed the declared power bymore than 6%. If the highest power exceeds the declared power by more than 6%, both powers shall be stated for that model.
So, does that now make the standard +6% and -10%???
I think there is one guy who writes all of the standards in the world and makes them as confusing as possible so as not to really let people know what the standard says.
Casey
- 8/10/04 7:30:00 AM
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seahorse (68.205.21.54) from ALABAMA says speed range
The speed range standard is written so a mnanufacturer does not rate his motor at let say 5500 rpm, but at 6000 it produces more power.Some industry standards are confusing, but they do help level the playing field.
- 8/11/04 9:01:00 PM
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seahorse (68.205.21.54) from ALABAMA says V6 E-TEC pictures
Go to:http://bbcboards.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=11005
